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TheMightyOmRiff
Greyskull Knight
January 2003

 
 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200301141365
In Ep.9, we saw Jim regenerate into someone who looked like Rod. Does this mean that Rod=Jim?
We know from dialogue that the cast are familiar with the concept of Dr.Who, and that they're aware of Christopher Eccleston the actor. So are regenerations influenced by outside stimuli? Does Jim copy a living person when he regenerates? ie. the various actors he resembles? I am happy to presume he does, and that he modeled various incarnations of himself on the actors who played him in Dr. Who. This isn't necesarily a paradox, as he could model himself on the actor before they play Dr.Who, with the actors subsequently cast based on their looks.

If this is the case then there are the following possibilities for why Jim looks like Rod:

1)Jim=Rod=Peter Davison
2)Jim=Rod, who coincidentally looks like Peter Davison
3)Jim=Peter Davison, who coincidentally looks like Rod
4)Jim coincidentally looks like Peter Davison, who is Rod
5)Jim coincidentally looks like Peter Davison, who coincidentally looks like Rod
6)Jim modelled himself on Rod, who is Peter Davison
7)Jim modelled himself on Rod, who coincidentally looks like Peter Davison
8)Jim modelled himself on Peter Davison, who coincidentally looks like Rod

I'm willing to assume that Peter Davison remains a seperate entity throughout, so I will rule out 1, 3, 4, and 6. In short, I feel that one of these is true:

1)Jim=Rod
2)Jim coincidentally looks like Rod & PD
3)Jim modelled himself on Rod
4)Jim modelled himself on PD

Jim seems surprised to look like Rod, so presumably, if there was any modelling involved, it was subconscious. This seems to make 2, 3, and 4 much of a muchness really. It may be of interest to Timelord theorists who are trying to sort out regenerational genetics or something, but here it is just cluttering things up. Really, things come down to:

1)Jim=Rod
2)Jim just looks like Rod

Is there any info in TNS to tip the scales one way or another?
    

Lazlo32
Timelord
December 2002

 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200301152023
Case for (1):
Jim and Rod never touch in the anti-matter universe. 
From the DVD commentary:
SJ: "Well Chris and Craig are antimatter equivalents. But Stan explains that they are both future regeneratins sent back to kill the Piers Brosnan Bond. Presumably Craig heralds from the anti-matter universe, and presumably the regenerated version is made from the same matter as its previous self, if you see what I mean, so while Chris and Craig look different, they are two sides of the same coin..."

IM: "Well Jim meets Rod in the anti-matter universe, and they don't blow up, so I guess Rod isn't Jim, right?"

SJ: "Ah, but Jim and Rod never get very close to each other in the anti-matter universe. They get closer in TV land but that's not anti-matter."

Case for (2):
Rod seems not to recognize Jim and his friends in Ep.1, although maybe he just forgot for whatever reason. But JimPD/SD in Ep.9, on F34, recognizes, at the very least, the fact that he's a timelord. That said, Rod may perfectly be aware that he is a timelord. It never really comes up. JimPD/SD in no way helps to confirm either position.

Scenario A:
JimPD loses his memory (but perhaps remains conscious of his Timelord status). Becomes Rod, Lord of Maygar (either before or after his Dr.Who-ing). Gets a Tardis (perhaps regaining some memory?) and does the Dr.Who thing for a while. Goes to F34 (to warn his past self about some danger?), where he dies and becomes JimSD.

Scenario B:
JimPD does the Dr.Who thing and occasionally gets likened to Rod, Lord of Maygar. Goes to F34 yadda yadda...

--Lazlo32
 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
  

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200301160105
It seems pretty obvious that even SJ doesn't know whether Rod's Jim yet. Though you have to ask whether their distance in Ep.1 was by accident or design. Did SJ really have it planned out from back then that Rod might be Jim? I doubt it to be honest. But he no doubt sees it as a gift. Of the above scenarios, A makes the best story fodder: it's the best of both worlds. I expect SJ will choose that option should he ever expand the NS universe in that direction. 

As far as the casting of Dr.Who's concerned, they seem to have consistently gone for a younger actor than the real Jim they were portraying. JimWH (William Hartnell) must've been ancient!
    

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200301211112
Going back to TheMightyOmRiff's other point, about Timelord genetics, it seems too much of a coincidence that Jim should end up looking like Rod purely by accident. It must be either a subconscious modelling, or that Jim really is Rod.

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DarthPat.
 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200301241347
One of the two, for sure. But all the other regenerations have been to actors, as opposed to acquaintances. If Timelords started looking like the people they hang out with, things would be very confusing. 

There's a problem with the fact that these characters are played by actors that are referred to within the programme, so Christopher Eccleston plays JimCE on the television, but the real JimCE (out there in space) just *looks* like Christopher Eccleston. In the NS universe, there's JimCE *and* the real CE, and neither are played by other actors.

We know that JimCE looks like the real CE, and it's probably safe to presume that Jim(n) looks like the real (n). So in each regeneration, Jim resembles an actor (that he's presumably seen before). But it is not clear as to quite how much he resembles each actor in the NS universe. He never seems to be confused for the actors, so perhaps it is no more a likeness than that my old headmaster looked like Albert Finney. If this is the case then it seems even more likely that Jim=Rod, as JimPD would appear (from the comments of others in the NS universe) to be pretty much identical to Rod (albeit without the beard).

Presuming all the above, a regeneration produces a composite (conscious or otherwise) of an actor and another entity (which I shall call Jim1). In JimPD's case, Jim looks like a composite of Jim1 and Peter Davison. 

This is all just speculation of course, but it's my theory that Jim1 is the genetic result of Siddor1 and Paté, and that subsequent regenerations muddle in the appearence of another being, which in Jim's case is always an actor (perhaps because he watches too much television or something). 

As a consequence of all this, I firmly believe that Jim=Rod.
 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 20030201241347 - Edited 20030201241350 by Hutch
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DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200301252301
That's quite a theory, Hutch. Though like you say, there's a fair bit of specuation in there. In the end, this is probably one for the Dr.Who boards. The nature of regeneration's probably been discussed to death already, out there in Dr.Who-land.

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DarthPat.
 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200301261021
Doesn't make it any less interesting. ;)

Here's another one then:
Is Anna a timelord? Presuming that Paté wasn't, what effect does that have on the kids? Does it work like Bewitched, where Tabatha was a witch, but the son was just a normal kid.
 

FunkyChunkMonkey
Zen Flamencoist
January 2003

 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200302011365
anna is a goat.

FuNkYcHuNkMoNkEy!

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"You'll never get away with it!" - Cherie Booth.
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 
 

Topic: Is Rod Jim?  - 200302021532 
I think you might be right with the Bewitched theory, Hutch. It would explain what happened to Anna in the Barbican. If she were a Timelord (or Timelady) she could just regenerate, but it seems like she was squished for good. If you've got a Timelord and a not-Timelord, with a Timelord gene T and a not-Timelord gene t, you'd end up with TT, Tt, Tt, tt. So Jim could be all Timelord, and Anna could be all un-Timelord. Or one of them might be Tt. Depends how it manifests itself.
  
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