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DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 
 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212021357
The NS universe doesn't just take in the NS. Jim's Dr.Who. Stew was married to the actress Sarah Michelle Gellar. James Bond has a modest role in events. How do these things mesh together, if at all?

Real people in the NS universe:
A-Ha (I'm willing to write these off as joke inserts)
Laura from 15-1 (employed by BS)
Dale Winton (employed at the Traveller's)
Sarah Michelle Gellar (married to Stew as a consequence of the monkey limb, and, after death, Lucifer)
Daevid Allan (one of the cosmic guides)
Craig T. Nelson (an actor)
Carlos Santana (one of the cosmic guides)
Peter Simon (mans the doors in heaven. Presumably dead then)
William G. Stewart (just doing his job)
Nicholas Parsons (TV Heaven)
Paul Daniels (TV Heaven)
Fred Harris (still in TV Heaven)
Johnny Ball (still)
Brian Cant (Ep.4 isn't cannon)
Robert Wyatt (plays the keyboards in Hell. Presumably demon effect, like Willow. Same could be said of Peter Simon)
Time Team (non-narrative sketch)
Sid Waddelle (sketch)
Tony Green (sketch)
Malcolm McLaren (just buying dodgy goods)

Of all these real people, the strange ones are Dale Winton working behind a bar, and the whole SMG business. The others can be argued away as window-dressing etal. And maybe DW enjoys/needs bar-work. 

So Q1: How does the SMG thing work? Does she disappear from Hollywood and end up in York, ceasing to have ever been an actress? Or what? The whole SMG thing gets confused with the TV Heaven stuff anyway, with SMG taking on the role of Buffy. Hmm.

I think that SMG's life is re-routed by the magic paw, so that she ends up being Stew;s wife. This would mean that she isn't famous in the NS universe. Thoughts?

I'll move onto Bond and Dr.Who later.

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DarthPat.
 

Quiz
Droid
December 2002

 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212041403
Ooh. Heavy. You seem quick to argue away all those celebs. What are we saying? Are we saying that some events don't exist? Some events don't count in the NS cos you can't get them to make sense? If A-Ha aren't everywhere we see them, how do we know everything else is?! 
 

  

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212042105
Well how else would you explain it? I don't believe that everything we're shown happened. I presume that TNS is a telling of a story, and that it is as liable to alteration as any other story. But at the same time, as it's the only window we have into the NS universe, I'm assuming thatmost of what we see is real. And by that we can make sense of most things, but some things are obviously just placed there as gags.

But be that as it may, it seems we can get shut of everyone else on that list. if you want to cling to A-Ha, then so be it. How do you explain how they appear where they do?

In the same way that I presume A-Ha are just bolten on gags, I assume that the darts people have been dubbed on afterwards, for humerous effect.

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DarthPat.
 

Quiz
Droid
December 2002

 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212061112
You seem to be saying that everything is real, except the things you don't want to be real because they get in the way of your theories. If you accept some things as real and some not, how on earth do you know where to draw the line, save just drawing it where you want? If any of it can be pure fantasy, all of it can. Stew could actually be Bob Mortimer. And one day he and Vic Reeves went out for a game of football. And this is heavily reinterpreted to what we end up with. 
No. Either all of it is made up, or all of it is perfectly accurate. And if all of it is made up, we can still pretend all of it is accurate, because, after all, all of it =is= made up.

NS is a work of fiction. In order to analyse it in the way we do, we must pretend that it is factual. Completely factual. Cos if we start cutting corners, we can cut any corner we like.
 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212081347
Quiz has a point. A-Ha must just be a magic band. Like Captain Beefheart.
 
 

  
  

Quiz
Droid
December 2002

 
 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212101029
Seems as good an explanation as any, Hutch. They're magic. They pop from one place to another. They can, in short, teleport. If Santana can be summoned likea Genie, and Daevid Allen can glid across the globe, I see no reason why A-Ha can't pop in and out of existence. Furthermore, DarthPat's own theory about SMG relies on her being teleported to York and having her past rewritten. And since when has Ep.4 been non-cannon?

    

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212122301
Well, SJ himself says so. The idea is that, even in the NS, Ep.4 is just a work of fiction - a holiday special. If you'd rather, you can think of it as some sort of time annomoly, as they return from TV Heaven. But really, Ep.4 is generally considered not real.

Also, worth considering, Ep.5 is a depiction of past events as told by Stew. So Ep.5 is only moderately reliable, and *can* be treated in a way such as DarthPat was suggesting for the whole thing.

In short: 
Ep.1-3 = cannon
Ep.4 = not cannon, but perhaps still relevant as a character study (maybe best thought of as a dream)
Ep.5 = dramatisation of real events from the perspective of Stew, and cast using NS characters as actors
Ep.6 = cannon
Ep.7 = mixture of sketches (using characters as actors) and cannon events (the Siddor/Hell stuff)
Ep.8 & 9 = cannon
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212161021
If Ep.7 has sketches in it, how can we be sure that the others don't?

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DarthPat.
 
  

Quiz
Droid
December 2002

 
   

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 2002121811365
Agreed. I don't see why we should make a special case for Episode 7.
 
 

   
   

QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist
December 2001

 
 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212221532 
Episode 7 begins on a stage. We are led to believe from the off that not all we see is cannon. William G. Stewart is not a vet, and if you think he is, then you can always pretend that he's playing the role of a vet, which is exactly what the cannon table suggests you do. I see no reason for the events in the sketches not to be real, so long as we hold that the characters are playing other roles. i.e. Rod and Jane aren't being crushed - they're playing characters who are being crushed.

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Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200212251922
Bad example. Rod and Jane are almost certainly themselves in that scene. Which MAY explain why Rod is in such a bad way in Episode 9. There's only the farm sequence that looks 100% like a sketch. The rest are arguably reality.
 
DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 
  

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200301042346
Well ok, moving on. 

James Bond. 
James Bond is a timelord. Presumably military intelligence know about this. Is Moneypenny a Timelady? What about Blofeldt? 

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DarthPat.
   

Quiz
Droid
December 2002

 

Topic: Plaiting the Srands  - 200301101254
Um. Probably? How the bloody hell should =I= know?!

Maybe they are, and maybe they're not. Does it really matter?
 

 

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