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QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist
December 2001

 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200410302207
I was taping it, so I only watched the green stream. Fantastic. But did the end make any more sense if you'd seen the red stream? 

I was close to tears when John Peel appeared. Was there meant to have been more of him, does anybody know? Interesting timing, don't you think? John Peel appearing in Hell in the same week that he died...

DarthPat, I want explanations and analysis, and I want them now! :)

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"Leather trousers... the sexy, dominant, cute look."
 

Quiz
Droid
December 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 20041031012
Well I watched the red stream, and that didn't make very much sense. The first half was rather dull, and the second half was pretty but seemingly meaningless. I didn't enjoy it as much as I'd liked. Perhaps the green was better.

And Mark Steel is getting everywhere this week. Just look at the telly papers!
 

DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200410312212
After reading Leon's advice, I decided to set up two TV sets next to each other and watch them both together on the off-chance that I'd find great meaning from them. I missed some huge chunks of each by paying attention to the other, but if you get the chance to watch them simultaneously, it IS quite interesting. All the scene changes synch up, as do certain lines of dialogue. And the end sequence is really quite spectacular. No wonder they only just finished the episode! The special effects and the editing must've taken ages!

I really enjoyed it, if only because of the two-stream gimmick. You DO learn stuff in one stream that you don't in another, or so it seemed. I shall watch them both individually later, and see how it works then, but my memory was that the green stream was probably the more entertaining one, on account of Chris and his drill.

And Mark Steel didn't get in the green stream, unless I missed him.
 

Quiz
Droid
December 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411010111
You MUST've missed him, Dan. He's EVERYWHERE!
 

 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411011101
I taped one stream and watched the other, but kept flicking between the two. It was good fun, but I can't help thinking I missed all the good stuff. I do hope Leon will come along soon and give us a breakdown...

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DarthPat.
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411012301
Anything for you, DarthPat...

Opening Sequence at Manor Lodge
(recorded in the last month)

Eugene's Bits (late 2002; note Jarvis Cocker's shorter hair. 
That's the same car as the one in the opening scene. 
It belongs to one of the crew. Window shots were added March '04)

Letitia's Stuff (March '04, except Limbo stuff August '04.
Peter Snow's bits for this and Ep.3 were filmed around June, I think)

Anna Ford's VO (recorded in the last month)

[Table boundaries show simultaneous scene changes:]

RED STREAM
GREEN STREAM
Cricket Inn Road
(March '04. That's not Martin Clunes on the floor)
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Letitia's Flat
(March / April '04)
Woolens for Signs
(Feb / March '04)
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Limbo Tardis
(August '04)
Devonshire Green
(This shot July '04)
MI7 Establish
(Feb / March '04)
Arts Tower
(April '04, with lots of post-production)
MI7
(April / May '04)
{Map} Chris in Babysham's Brian
(June '04)
{Arts Tower}

(note: synchronous sunglasses)

Barnie's Patio
(June '04)
(note: synchronous sunglasses)
City Hall (interior shooting)
(April '04, with lots of post-production)
MI7 cont.
(as above)
Book Shop
(March / April '04)
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John Peel
(late 2002)
Dog & Partridge
(This month! That's the paper from 7th Oct)
Outside City Hall
(Close-quarters shooting in April. Distant shooting with partial crowds and stand-ins, September, in order to have the City Hall covered in scaffolding)
John Peel
(late 2002. John is a little further along the street in this version, but the VO is the same)
Devonshire Green
(April '04)
Devonshire Green
(first shot recorded simultaneously, with a second crane)
Skate Park
(March / April '04. Ewan was not present for most of the shooting)
{First two inserts of the motorcade are identical}
Book Shop
(April '04)

{First two inserts of the motorcade are identical}

2CV (shot from front seat)
(April '04. Mostly simultaneous shooting, carefully framed)
2CV (shot from back seat)
(April '04. Mostly simultaneous shooting, carefully framed)
The next run of scenes are all chaotic intercuts of the above, and I don't have the patience to list the changes. There is some synchronisty to these cuts. The next run of scenes are all chaotic intercuts of the above, and I don't have the patience to list the changes. There is some synchronisty to these cuts.
We get the same shot of Steve Lamacq. We get the same shot of Steve Lamacq.
We use the two-crane trick again for the end of Stew's bit. Note: The first bit is Ewan and a small crowd of extras in September. The crane shot uses a stand-in and was made in April. We use the two-crane trick again for the end of Stew's bit. Note: The first bit is Ewan and a small crowd of extras in September. The crane shot uses a stand-in and was made in April.
Steve's side of the chase
(April '04)
Leon's side of the chase
(April '04)
Crucible shots
(Bits with Steve were filmed in April, but as this area was full of snooker-realted stuff, huge swathes use a stand-in and were filmed in September.)
Underground shots
(April and July '04, using some existing subways in Sheffield, and a special Hole in the Road set. There was also some speculative filming done in Furnival Square back in 2002.)
Hole in the Road sequence
(Early 2002, and April and July '04, using cranes, models and a computer. A lot was shot at the now in-filled Furnival Square, as well as other subway intersections in Sheffield. The spaceship is modelled on the Sheffield Registry Office.)
Hole in the Road sequence
(Early 2002, and April and July '04, using cranes, models and a computer. A lot was shot at the now in-filled Furnival Square, as well as other subway intersections in Sheffield. The spaceship is modelled on the Sheffield Registry Office.)
Babysham Concludes
(last month. Different takes)
Babysham Concludes
(last month. Different takes)
Credits
(Reversed sunrise recorded last month. Music is Pulp's "Sheffield Sex City")
Credits
(Sunset recorded last month. Music is a re-engineered version of Pulp's "My First Wife")

SJ commissioned John Craven to write the closing title music. It was meant to be two pieces of music which would create another perfectly sensible piece of music when played together. But Craven failed to make the deadline, and so the Pulp stuff was used. 

As that's the last episode, I thought I'd give you a guide to all the shoots:

2001:

Last 6 months:
[Rumoured:] Some speculative shooting with various ANS cast in the Town Hall Extension, prior to and during demoliton.

2002:

First 6 months:
[Now Confirmed:] Speculative shooting at Furnival Square. Essentially a first draft for the Hole in the Road sequence. 

September - mid-December:
Preliminary shooting with Guy Pearce, Robbie Coltraine, Hugh Hopper, Juliet Landau, Martin Clunes, Neil Dudgeon, John Peel, Rachel Friend, Steve Buscemi etc. Most of Ep1, part of Ep2. Shooting around Snig Hill, Attercliffe, the Ski Centre, the Fat Cat, Cricket Inn Road etc.

2003:

First 3 months:
Conclusion of first round of shooting. Jason Donovan and Pam Ferris film their first scenes. Shooting near Cathedral, and at Jade and Mrs Mimsel's houses.

Summer:
Episode 0 filming.
Tony Head and others film their parts for the Ep.3 dream sequence, largely around the York area.
First shooting in Mayburn's shop.

November:
Pearce and Coltraine film the library sequence.

2004:

late-January / February:
Pooky Quesnel refilms Jade's scenes, with Pearce, Hopper, Coltraine and Dudgeon. Shooting at Devonshire Cat.

February:
Lauren Laverne films most of her scenes at a semi-detached house, and on the dunes at Mablethorpe.
Ward's End Cemetery / Parkwood Springs shooting, with Pearce, Hopper, Quesnel and Amelia Bullmore.

February / March:
Tony Head and Pooky Quesnel film their shared bits of the dream sequence. Shooting at Park Hill, the Emmerdale lot, Cask & Cutler, various parts of the city centre.
Also the bedsit scenes with Pearce, Hopper, Quesnel, Head and Laverne.
Exterior shooting at Woollens and MI7.

March / April:
Filming on the Crypt / Letitia's Flat set, and the Hyde Park location / Cricket Inn Road, with Guy Pearce, Amelia Bullmore, Alistair McGowan, Ewan McGregor, and the Lovejoy cast.
Filming the scenes at the Skate Park, particularly those with Ewan.
Filming the scenes in the Bookshop.

April:
The crowd scenes on and around Devonshire Green, the 2CV and the assasination.
Filming at City Hall with "God" and his cronies.
Filming at the University Arts Tower with same.
Filming at the Crucible with Steve Davis.
Some underground stuff with Jean Reno.

April / May:
The Adelphi Theatre shoot, and the Black Mass.
MI7 with Chris.

May:
The Road chase (Done on the bank holidays. The Hillsborough end was done on May Day, and the Sharrow Vale end was done on Spring Bank, so as to best avoid the snooker.)
The River sequence (Not done on the bank holidays). 
The Tinsley Viaduct stuff and the stand-off in the cooling tower.

June:
"Mopping up" shooting. Stuff with Hopper in the office etc.
Storrs Bridge and Darnall scenes for the Ep3 dream sequence.
Chris's dream sequence stuff at Darnall and the "Finland" semi.
Celebrity analysis for dream sequence. Peter Snow's bits.

July:
Hole in the Road sequence with Jean Reno.
More "mopping up": Devonshire Green establishes.

August:
Gardener's Rest scene with Hopper and Quesnel.
Letitia's Limbo stuff, which is the same set as Anna's Limbo Tardis Ballet School, filmed at the same time.
At Jade's house, with Pearce, Quesnel, Hopper, Donovan and Jean Reno.
Stew and Leon's bookshop.
Waiting for Godot on the traffic island, and the Kelham Island Tavern meeting.

September:
John Hurt VO.
Mop-up shoot at City Hall with extras and stand-ins.
Similar Mop-up at Dev Green with Ewan McGregor and the 2CV.
And at the Crucible with a stand-in for Steve Davis.
Adverts.

October:
Reno, Pearce, Hopper and Quesnel at the Dog and Partridge.
Manor Lodge scenes with Pearce.
Anna Ford VO.
 

There were great swathes of filming early on, particularly in 2003, that didn't make the final series. Most of them involved Landau, but not all. Whether they'll turn up elsewhere or not remains to be seen. I mention the Town Hall Extension stuff from 2001 as I'm pretty sure it'll be used somewhere, sooner ot later, because it was really quite good (what I saw, at least).

As far as John Peel was concerned, he was in the story because of his association with the JFK assasination. He was meant to be present during the Devonshire Green shooting, but couldn't attend due to other commitments. There were more scenes in the pipeline for him but they were abandoned on account of his hectic schedule. His filmed scenes were nearly dropped entirely, save for the odd unheralded cameo near the end (that was Ivan Methuselah's initial cut of the episode) but were replaced at the last minute. Scarily, it was as they were editing him back in, that news of his death filtered through.

 

stewed
Demigod
April 1985


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411022302
Thought this was interesting:
http://ukcoldwar.simplenet.com/nuclear/area_map.shtml shows the site of the nuclear bomb attack in the film "Threads". A quick look at my OS map tells me that this is none other than... the cooling towers at Tinsley.
Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411031729
In all, I thought it was fantastic. Better than I expected it would be. Different to how I expected, really. When the series started I thought we were in for a lousy Film Noir parody. But as it was, it was just the NS. Great!

Here are the ATV screencaps that were used on their site over the course of the series:

  Episode One: City Hall in the animation sequence.

  Episode Two: Letitia and Babysham romping on the grave.

  Episode Three: Chez Babysham in the rain.

  Episode Four: Bhuvana in the crypt.

  Episode Five: Self explanatory really.

  Episode Six: That Magic Bead in action.

 

DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter
April 2001

 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411042311
While you've got that shot of the bead there... notice that the laser spots... well actually, it doesn't show it too good there because it's before the spots settle. They've not picked the best frame for it. But if you watch the scene again, you'll notice that there's three red spots:

a) the big red splodge that settles where the skate-board bowl is (visible at the bottom).
b) a smaller spot travelling along the road (seen within the bead).
c) a spot that moves to hover over the book shop (the spot at the top).

We're led to believe that the spots pinpoint the positions of gods. So the splodge shows Bhuvana and Stew and probably Satan; the dot on the road is God, which leaves another spot on the bookshop...

In the bookshop are Leon, Alan, Jade and Babysham, a shop assistant, and maybe some other people we can't see. So which of them is a god?

The Christ-like end scene would suggest Leon, perhaps? 
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411060112
I always had Alex down as a god or something similar. He's the one we don't have a proper past for. But given that Alex isn't one of the options... 

I don't know... I'm reluctant to believe that Leon is a god. He's just a postman, surely? Who's got caught up in something big...?

What about Alan? Remember all the trouble with him in Hell last time. Latant Christianity, they said. But maybe it was a bit more complicated than that. It would explain why MI7 might go to such ends to rescue him. Alan is my hunch, but it's only a baby hunch.

Could be Babysham, I suppose. But that just doesn't seem right. He's the robot. Stew's the god. Grr.

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DarthPat.

 

stewed
Demigod
April 1985

 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411071210
DarthPat,
Your comment that Leon can't be a god; he's just a postman, surely...
I thought a similar thing about Postman Pat: he's just a lonely man with a cat. But no. He's got a wife and kids now. It just seems wrong.
Just a thought. Might be nothing in it.
DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411081309
If I know you right, I'd say you're teasing me, stewed. Makes me even more convinced that it isn't Leon. It just doesn't add up from what we know about him. 

I'm more and more convinced that Alan is our god. The thing that keeps getting in my way though is... his time in the Stargate. All that ageing and youthing he kept doing doesn't seem very godly. Whereas Babysham never aged. So maybe Babysham in the god after all.

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DarthPat.
 

Lazlo32
Timelord
December 2002

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411100908
Well both of them have been resurrected... Babysham by Siddor, and Alan by MI7. 
Maybe they're both deities. Or maybe it's someone else in the building.
I wonder if SJ has decided yet.

--Lazlo32
 

4Square
Observer
August 2003


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411121315
"I wonder if SJ has decided yet."

Doubt it.

So let me try and get my head round what happened in Babysham:

Bhuvana wanted to stage a Godly coup (Ep6).
So she needed to regain her powers, which had been put in a magic box (Ep5). 
So she co-opted a Satanic cult of antiques dealers (and by extension, Satan) to track down the magic box (Ep6). 
Eugene bought the box, and the Mousemen also made him marry Letitia, presumably as part of a rite to raise Satan (Ep6). 
Eugene also had to kill Babysham so that they could reanimate him and reprogram him, because for some reason they needed Babysham's laser eye to break the magical seal on the box (Ep6).
But Eugene didn't kill Babysham (Ep1). Eugene himself was killed by Letitia's boyfriend, Tomy (Ep2).
So Letitia planted a virus in Babysham (presumably via his neck during love-making), thus incapacitating Babysham (Ep2/3).
Bhuvana nobbled Jim such that he would input a program into Babysham that would make Babysham open the box (Ep3).
Which he did (Ep4).
Bhuvana wanted Stew on her side (perhaps manipulateing Babysham to get access to him) but Stew wasn't interested (Ep5/6).
Bhuvana, Satan et al head to Devonshire Green, presumably intent on disabling God via Bhuvana's powers (Ep6).
But Leon kills Satan, Bhuvana and God (Ep6).
JimSD chases Leon. JimSD causes an explosion that opens up the road to reveal Leon who ascends into his flying saucer (Ep6).

Questions:

Why do they need Babysham's eye to open the box?
Why does Leon kill the gods he does? or Who is paying Leon to kill the gods he does? Stew? The bookshop god?
What is going on at the end? What is JimSD's role in things?

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"Would you like a cup of tea?"
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411151017
Do you know what I think? I think the Crystal of Enderon is involved.
Remember that bit before the start of Fifteen to One in ANS1 where Babysham is watching the television and going slowly mad because of the CoE. I think not just his brain is being reconfigured. I think his eye is being altered.I think the crystal is imprinting itself into his eye.

While we're talking about eyes, I think the continued use of Bullseye is simply to draw our attention to Babysham's laser eye.

As ever, I don't have any basis for these theories. They're just wild conjecture. I just put my SJ head on.

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DarthPat.
 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411181944
I thought it might be handy to post the dates on which each episode is set:

EPISODE ONE (broadcast 11th September):
(Monday 4th October - Marty's office.)
Wednesday 22nd September - Tomy's case.
Thursday 23rd - Eugene's case.
Friday 24th - Jade. BS & Tomy's investigation. Etc.

EPISODE TWO (18th September):
Friday 24th - Jade's house. Eugene's shop. Tomy and Jade disappear.
Saturday 25th - The river chase. The road chase. The cemetery.

EPISODE THREE (25th September):
Sunday 26th - Everything (well the very end might count as Monday).

Babysham is unconscious from 27th-29th inclusive, and most of 30th.

EPISODE FOUR (2nd October):
Thursday 30th - Everything up to and including the meeting with Marty.
Friday 1st October - Letitia's flat.
Saturday 2nd - The day of the Mousemen's Rite.
Sunday 3rd - Babysham opens the box.

EPISODE FIVE (16th October):
Monday 4th - Marty's office.
Tuesday 5th - Babysham on the ledge. Letitia's flat.
Thursday 7th - From Stew & Leon's arrival in Hell, through to the end.

EPISODE SIX (30th October):
Friday 8th - Everything (well the very start might count as Thursday).

 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411200154
I think I'm right in saying that Ep6 was meant to be set on the 30th, but a plot point that pivotted on this date was ditched, mainly because three weeks was too much time to squeeze in to the story. But they still wanted the show to go out on the 30th, perhaps as a clue to what was going on at the end. Presuming the original reasoning was maintained. Which it may not have.
   
DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411212112
So the 30th is/was somehow relevant? Why would that be? Is it a Cakin Night thing? No. Doesn't seem so. So what?

First TV transmitter? Broadcast of Orson Welles' War of the Worlds? Devil's Night?

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DarthPat.
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411152401
How many hours were there in 30th October this year?

      

DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200411171719
The clocks went back! So 25 hours, effectively. Though they'd be in the 31st October by rights.
 

 

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