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jims_dad
Demigod
May 1999

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200301021357
One minute the team live at 125, the next they're in TV Heaven, and when they return they live in a different house. How come?

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TheMightyOmRiff
Greyskull Knight
January 2003

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200301021403
I don't think it's made clear. One of the lines when Stew first arrives in 69 is:

STEW: What about continuity?
BARNIE: Beware, Stew Jester.

I guess that pretty much sums it up. 
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200301022105
On a real world level, they'd dismantled the 125 sets. Rather than try to rebuild 125, they started from scratch. 125 was based on the first house SJ and his friends lived at. 69 was based on the second one.
   
Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200301041912
The usual supposition, as far as the NS universe is concerned, is that the team were gone so long that MI7 reallocated 125 to somebody else.
 
 

 

DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter
April 2001

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200302171851
I thought they came back last wednesday. By which I mean... 

Stew: 'Yeah, you see... being as we are, stuck inside television, we are existing outside the usual constraints of time. As soon as we step through Fred Harris's magical door, we will probably find ourselves living in the reality of last wednesday.'

Of course, I guess he might've been wrong. Like with his "shortcut".
 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200302191919
Yeah, I think Stew was "misguided" with his notion of the 'last Wednesday' thing. But it depends really... The thing is we first get introduced to 69 through Stew's dream sequence thing at the end of Ep.4, where he presumably has precognition of the trip to the Red Lion and the encounter with Siddor. But that is just a dream sequence. When we see 69 again, at the end of Ep.5, the characters seem more at home, and could've been living there for some time. It could just be that we missed a chunk of their life between 'last Wednesday' and Stew's video night at 69. 

In short:
Ep.4 was a foreseeing of Stew's destiny that he had whilst returning to 'last Wednesday'.
Ep.5 was Stew living out that destiny some time in the future.
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200302212342
That seems to make sense, Hutch.
So what does that make "Last Wednesday"?

I've worked back from Stew's speech, and there seems to be a clear pattern of days all the way back to Brookhouse, where there's aparently a passage of about two years with the three of them on the railway tracks - a shocking endightment of the state of the British transport industry.

Anyway...

Day 1 - 125 / Sunnydale
Day 2 - Crematorium / Craig T. Nelson's House
Day 3 - Frizzard's House / Heaven
Day 4 - Jungle / Trench
Day 5 - Retune / Blizzard etc
Day 6 - PCB / Saphire City / Chocobloc
Day 7 - Chocobloc confrontation

So last Wednesday has to be one of those days. Is there anything in those episodes that indicates a day of the week?

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Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200302222222
Well how's this:
Buffy used to be on TV on a Wednesday back when Ep.2 came out - at least on the BBC it did. So if Day 1 was Wednesday, then that would be the ideal day to return home, would it not? The day they left in the first place?

And they'd meet Che F on Friday night, which is when the hot dog stalls tend to be out: Fridays and Saturdays.

Well *I'm* convinced.
 

jims_dad
Demigod
May 1999

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200302240536
Ok then... that seems fair enough, but what about:

          CAROLINE: Does that mean we get to do the Red Lion quiz again?!

This suggests they've already done the pub quiz, which would be impossible given the above calendar.

For that matter, who is Caroline and where has she come from?!

I mean I know who she is, but how does she end up at Chocobloc, and how has Stew met her? Was he going out with her before they got portaled in Ep1? Or when he was living in halls? If not, where's she sprung up from.

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Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200302260954 - Edited 200302261345 by Leon_1138
That is a question we have tried to avoid on these boards. It is feared that the answer may erode the very fabric of this website. 
Edit:
However, no-doubt DarthPat has a theory...
   
DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200302261345 - Edited 200302261358 by DarthPat
(I try my best, Leon.)

At first glance, the key to this problem seems to lie in the purpose of Chocobloc, and what it is doing to our heroes. There are only two quotes regarding this:

BERLIN: Those cretinous fools have been led by a fake Fred Harris to an evil super-computer which will reduce them all to jibbering wrecks.

A LEON: It appears that those involved [in the "Fred Harris situation"] may well be damaged beyond redemtion.

...But I don't think they're really relevent.

What I <b>DO</b> think is that the Stew sequence in the university is a flashback - not least because it shows him living in the uni, and because it shoes Berlin still alive.

Now whether these flashbacks are induced by Chocobloc or not, I don't know.

There's some problems with this though - Johnny and Siddor are fighting in the same room as the band rehearsal, which therefore places the events after Berlin's death. This is tricky as Berlin is playing in the band.

The answer to this is that Berlin (Witch) is from the future, or perhaps is a different Berlin to Berlin (musician). It may be her mother. But it is not very important regards the situation at hand.

Another Problem: Berlin (witch) has been scrying our heroes, and the suggestion is that she is watching them in real time.

Ah... but hang on... Because crystal balls are traditionally used for seeing into the future. So while we have been presuming that she was watching events as they happened, she was evidently foreseeing them.

And we see that Johnny Ball's quest takes at LEAST a day. I'm inclined to believe he spent a lot longer with Yoga.

So the flashback goes as far back as Stew's time in Mr Chops, and he has known Caroline from that time. Whether he continued to see her (in whatever capacity) after the kitchen blew up is unclear.

Right. So... That's who Caroline is, from a historical perspective. Next problem: how (or rather why) does she end up at Chocobloc?

Well the band come out of Chocobloc's portal, and are introduced by Fred. That's the practicalities of her presence - she was brought there by Fred. But why? :

ALEX: Fred Harris, what's going on?
FRED: It's a long story, and the details are unimportant. Let's just say, It's time you went home...

...That hardly answers our question. Perhaps we'd be better off looking at it through reference to her own comment:

CAROLINE: Does that mean we get to do the Red Lion quiz again?!

Now then... this suggests that Caroline was a) with Stew on Wednesday, and b) that they did the pub quiz. This seems highly unlikely, at least from Stew's perception, as last Wednesday he was presumably happily married to Sarah Michelle Gellar.

But from Caroline's perception, things are somewhat different, because Caroline may indeed have done the pub quiz on Wednesday. Caroline's use of "we" is ambiguous, and could include nigh on anybody there (or even elsewhere). 

So Caroline went to the quiz and Stew et al didn't.

The next thing that interests ME then, is whether their two last Wednesdays were the same last Wednesday. In short, has Caroline travelled through space, or through space and time? It is not clear.

As to her relationship with Stew, that is not in evidence until the beach sequence in the Caribbean Special, and we treat that as a dream sequence. So the relationship can take as long to develop as it takes our heroes to move from 125 last Wednesday to 69 at the video night.

In summation, Caroline's presence is due entirely to Fred's super-group invocation, and the flashback shows us that she and Stew new each other before we ourselves knew Stew. Presumably they maintained contact. Or possibly they were reunited by Fred's magics.

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Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 20030271435
Nice.

I certainly can't think of anything better to explain away the inconsistencies. I especcially like the thing about Berlin seeing into the future. Makes you think...

I also agree that Caroline and Stew probably saw each other still, but weren't yet going out. But you'd think perhaps that she'd've been a bit shocked to find herself magicked into the Chocobloc gig. Perhaps she'd done a sound-check already. 
 

jims_dad
Demigod
May 1999

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200303040506
Right. OK.
So now explain why 125 was in such good nick when they got back to it (at the start of Ep2), despite two years of being abandonned. ;)

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Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 
 

Topic: Where does 69 come from?  - 200303070954
MI7 must've looked after it. They probably employed a cleaner or something. One of Barnie's cronies.
 
 
 

  

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