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Lazlo32
Timelord
December 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704082302
The show is out, so now this thread is open to the sort of crazy speculation we come here for.
What did you think? I think I liked it.
 

--Lazlo32

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704090117
Here's a breakdown of the ANSX split-screen, sequence for sequence.
 
Key:
GOSPEL OF ALEX
GOSPELS OF ALEX & JIM
GOSPELS OF ALEX, JIM & LEON
GOSPELS OF ALEX, JIM & STEW
GOSPELS OF ALEX & LEON
GOSPELS OF ALEX, LEON & STEW
GOSPELS OF ALEX & STEW
GOSPEL OF JIM
GOSPELS OF JIM & LEON
GOSPEL OF LEON
GOSPELS OF LEON & STEW
GOSPEL OF STEW
SPLIT-SCREEN ONLY
JIM
LEON
ALEX
STEW
F34 Flashback sequence
(from Ep9)
Mr Chops sequence 
(Easter 2005)
Mr Chops sequence 
(Easter 2005)
Mr Chops sequence 
(Easter 2005)
Mr Chops sequence 
(Easter 2005)
Crucible
(from BS shoot)
Multiple Leons
(2004/5)
Alex the Highwayman
(2005)
Stew's meeting
(Easter 2005)
Derbyshire
(Autumn 2004)
= More York Uni stuff
(Easter 2005)
=
= (Amazing Grace) = = Stew and his exes
(Summer 2005)
= = Stew & Bhuvana
(Summer 2005)
Stew & Bhuvana
(Summer 2005)
= =
Galena's Tardis
(Spring 2005)
Leon and Barnie
(Easter 2005)
= =
= God's Assassination
(BS)
Leon and Barnie cont.
(Easter 2005)
God's Assassination
(BS)
Leon and Barnie cont.
(Easter 2005)
= John's Penguins
(Spring 2005)
=
= Galena's Tardis
(Spring 2005)
= =
Jim_SD's Tardis
(Autumn 2005)
= Alex is healed
(2004/5)
Inside the Wedding Cake
(Summer 2005)
Tram sequence
(BS)
= = =
= = = Jim_SD's Tardis
(Autumn 2005)
Galena's Tardis
(Spring 2005)
= = =
God's Assassination
(BS)
= = =
= = Heaven
(Spring 2006)
=
Calvados
(Autumn 2005)
= = =
= = Mental Hospital
(Summer 2005)
Calvados
(Autumn 2005)
Derbyshire
(Autumn 2004)
Picholl's office
(Summer 2005)
Police Station
(Autumn 2004)
Certain Death
(Autumn 2005)
= Certain Death
(Spring / Autumn 2005)
= Mental Hospital
(Summer 2005)
Calvados
(Autumn 2005)
= THX roof garden
(2001/6)
Stew signs autographs
(Spring 2006)
= = = Mental Hospital
(Summer 2005)
Jim_SD's Tardis
(Autumn 2005)
= = =
= Jim_AH's Tardis
(Autumn 2005)
Mental Hospital
(Summer 2005)
Compacting Chamber
(Summer 2005)
Take a Chance sequence
(Various locations)
THX roof garden
(2001/6)
Heavenly coup
(Summer 2005)
Derbyshire
(Autumn 2004)
= Peace Garden
(2001/6)
Duck lays crystal
(Spring 2005)
Bush baby
(Summer 2006)
Jim_SD's Tardis
(Autumn 2005)
Tattershall Castle
(Spring 2006)
Heaven
(Spring / Autumn 2006)
=
= Police station
(Autumn 2004)
= Tattershall Castle
(Spring 2006)
= = Metal bird
(Summer 2006)
Caesarea Philippi
(Autumn 2005)
Crypt
(BS)
Heavenly throne
(Summer 2005)
= =
Jim_DT's Tardis
(Spring 2005)
= Heaven
(Autumn 2006)
=
= Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Caesarea Philippi cont.
(Autumn 2005)
= = Heaven
(Autumn 2006)
Church Hall
(Easter 2005)
Graves Art Gallery
(Autumn 2006)
York University
(Easter 2005)
Lay All Your Love sequence
(Spring / Summer 2005)
Virginia Plain sequence
(Easter 2005)
Graves Art Gallery
(Autumn 2006)
Furnival Square
(2002/6)
Jim_DT's Tardis
(Spring 2005)
Picholl and the bird
(Autumn 2006)
= Bessy and the bison
(Aumtumn 2005)
Mental Hospital
(Summer 2005)
Alex and Inanna
(Autumn 2005)
The bus ride
(Easter 2005)
Picholl and the bird
(Autumn 2006)
Toshists surrender
(Summer 2005)
Chez Babysham
(Winter 2005)
=
Furnival Square
(2002/6)
York
(Easter 2005)
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
=
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Bond & Picholl
(Autumn 2006)
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Leader of the Pack
(Autumn 2006)
Bessy blown up
(Autumn 2005)
= = =
= Humber Bridge
(Spring 2006)
Bond & Picholl
(Autumn 2006)
=
Bond & Picholl
(Autumn 2006)
= The bison
(Autumn 2005)
=
= Bond & Picholl
(Autumn 2006)
=
= =
Bond & Picholl - Main Chase Sequence
(Autumn 2006)
Alex & Inanna
(Autumn 2005)
Jim_AH's Tardis
(Autumn 2005)
York Minster
(Spring 2005)
Picholl & Jim_DT
(Autumn 2006)
=
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Picholl & Jim_DT
(Autumn 2006)
York Minster cont.
(Spring 2005)
= Stew arrives at Police
(2004/7)
Peace Gardens Crypt
(Summer 2005)
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Late Night Baccara sequence
(Summer 2006)
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Stew is moved
(2006/7)
Bison on the Wicker
(Autumn 2005)
Last Supper
(Spring 2005)
= = Winter Gardens
(Autumn 2003)
=
= = Peace Gardens
(2001/3)
=
= = Alex's pursuit
(Autumn 2006)
=
THX roof garden
(2001)
= = =
Threads explosion sequence
(First draft 2003. St Silas added as late as Spring 2007)
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
Peace Gardens Crypt
(Summer 2005)
Novotel
(Winter 2005)
Ant on Fargate
(Autumn 2003)
= Dennis Waterman
(Spring 2006)
Novotel cont.
(Winter 2005)
Stew's betrayal
(Spring 2005)
= Galena's Tardis
(Spring 2005)
Stew's betrayal
(Spring 2005)
Peace Gardens Crypt
(Summer 2005)
= Peace Gardens Crypt
(Summer 2005)
Novotel
(Winter 2005)
= = Alex's pursuit
(Autumn 2006)
Police station
(Autumn 2004)
= = Big Brother
(Early 2007)
Vortex sequence
(Summer 2005)
Crucifixion
(Spring 2005)
Vortex sequence cont.
(Summer 2005)
Crucifixion
(Spring 2005)
Prison cell
(Spring 2005)
= =
Peace Gardens Crypt
(Summer 2005)
= Peace Gardens Crypt
(Summer 2005)
Vortex sequence
(Summer 2005)
Peace Gardens Crypt
(Summer 2005)
Heaven
(2004/5)
=
Babysham's lecture
(Summer 2006)
God's funeral sequence
(Winter 2005)

NOTE:
The Gospel According to Leon contains an extra scene: Leon on a bus (filmed this last Winter) to Cilla Black's "You're My World". This sequence is meant to tie the first trailer to ANSX, and to provide a decent ending to the Leon re-cut. 

None of the re-cuts has the pre-title sequence.


THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JAMES
Concentrates on Jim, Galena and Bond. Contains 4 songs.
60 original (that is, unshared) cells in the above table. 21 shared with Leon. 12 with Alex. 1 with Stew. (total=94)
64% original. 22% Leon. 13% Alex. 1% Stew.

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO LEON
Simply follows Leon. Contains 2 songs.
26 original cells. 28 shared with Stew. 21 with Jim. 9 with Alex. (84)
31% original. 33% Stew. 25% Jim. 11% Alex.

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ALEX
Concerns Alex, Babysham, John and Inanna. Therefore covers massive ground. Contains 4 songs.
62 original cells. 32 shared with Stew. 12 with Jim. 9 with Leon. (115)
54% original. 28% Stew. 10% Jim. 8% Leon.

THE PASSION OF STEW
Simply follows Stew. Contains 4 songs.
12 original cells. 32 shared with Alex. 28 shared with Leon. 1 shared with Jim. (73)
16% original. 44% Alex. 38% Leon. 2% Jim.

As you can see, JIM doesn't address the passion at all. The vast majority of the passion is covered in ALEX and LEON. JIM contains the most exclusive content, followed by ALEX. LEON shares most with STEW. STEW shares most with ALEX. 

Jim has (roughly - a quick an ill considered count) 59 unrelated cells in other people's screens (29 Alex, 20 Leon, 10 Stew),
Leon has 19 (9, Stew, 6 Jim, 4 Alex),
Alex has 51 (24 Jim, 18 Leon, 9 Stew),
Stew has 19 (9 Leon, 7 Jim, 3 Alex);
though some of these are not strictly tied to the root character (ie Babyshams in ALEX etc).
 

QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist
December 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704091512
Wow, Leon... that's pretty...

I didn't like the split screen business at first. I thought it was a bit gimmicky, and you miss so much. But after a while, it started to develop a certain something... Still... I'd rather it'd been without. The re-cuts are ok but they look a bit repetitious and I don't think the same care's been put into the editing.

As for the songs... I thought they were alright. Better than I feared. 

Now I just need someone to tell me what was going on. :)

----
"Leather trousers... the sexy, dominant, cute look." 
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704100112
I'm sure DarthPat will be here in a matter of moments. Though surely Babysham's explained everything.

I'm led to believe that the reasoning behind the split-screen was that in the Stargate all time coexists. So we see four simultaneous time-frames. I'm not sure if there's really any benefit from seeing four simultaneous time-frames. Maybe there's some connection between the events in one frame and those in another. Or maybe not. I think I agree that it's all a bit gimmicky. But I'm not sure that that's such a terrible thing. The same could be said for the songs (for which I have no explanation).
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704102317
Wow.
I've now watched ANSX several times: a couple of times in split-screen and each of the re-cuts. I think I've got a reasonable idea of what's going on. 
Babysham has it about right, I think, but as the others suggest, he's over-simplified things.

I will take Leon's table and make sense of each scene. But I don't have his table-making skills, so I'll just do it as a list.

F34 Flashback sequence 
Previously on ANS...

Mr Chops sequence 
The corridor is visited by a figure unseen. Who?
Presumably this is Earth in the late '90s. 
We assume Econ is playing his guitar to communicate with aliens. Is it?
I think the stranger is Siddor.
Karen's usual appeal suggests that this is a Chocablock fantasy.

Crucible 
Jim_SD packs up after BS6. He gets in his Tardis and goes back in time as Leon's glasses. 

Multiple Leons 
An arty link from the corridor to Croissant, and the effects of the cloning of Leon. We see Gleceon 7 and it isn't pretty.
Our Leon makes a deal with the Toshists. He is being spied on by another Leon. Is this Leon significant?

Alex the Highwayman 
A rather curious scene. Is it a reference to Dick Turpin's York connection? Is the fact that it is backwards significant?

Stew's meeting 
Given Alex's appearence later, we can assume that this is Earth in the first century, though the modern setting suggests that it is actually a fantasy. As Stew is from Heaven, it probably isn't a Hell fantasy. Is it rather another reminder of the Chockablock? Episode 6 is post Chockablock.
Does anyone have a translation of what Stew says / writes? It's all Greek to me.

Derbyshire 
So here we have Jim_DT and co about to fulfill their part of the plot: helping Alex out with Omra. I'm assuming this is the clone Omra: the one doing all the shepherding in Ep5.

More York Uni Stuff
We see Barnie die. Again. Only this time she dies in a different way.
Then we have the sequence on the lakeside. Econ looks quite loopy. I think he has succumbed to the Enderon curse. I think the crystal is in his room and this is where Siddor later finds it.
Do the geese attack Econ cos they're geese? Or cos he stole the crystal? Or cos they sense the crystal? Or cos Siddor set them on him?

(Amazing Grace)
Why? Is it to do with the slavery anniversiary? Are the lyrics significant? I think it's about the agenda: about the reasoning behind the reforms in the Afterlife we see being carried out. Are the singers significant?

Stew and his exes 
Stew is big with the fishies. Again, what is he saying? And what is the reason for this battle with his ex-girlfriends? Is it a play on the relationship between Christ and Humanity? 

Stew & Bhuvana 
Bhuvana, dressed rather Roman, crucifies Stew. I think this is the relationship between Bhuvana (as God The Father) and Jesus. She's set up Stew to perform a coup, but he's deliberately (suicidally) shut it down to save Humanity. I think this is one of the details Babysham doesn't quite understand (Ep7-wise) in his summing up. He says Stew had plans "that would see the BeforeLife brought back under the control of the Godhead" but I think this is Bhuvana's scheme rather than Stew's. Her plan (in BS6) was "to usurp the incumbent God and take over Heaven in order to establish a world of peace, love, harmony and cheap make-up." I think Stew feared that this would end up as a totalitarian state. Stew himself says: "I know God's an incompetent fraud, but do you sincerely believe you can do better without contravening the law of free will?". I don't think that that is an admission that Stew intended to dispose of free will. I think he's speaking hypothetically. 

Stew goes on to say: "You're deluding yourself. The human race is intrinsically corrupt, and even with a physical presence, a united religion is never going to please everybody. People will dissent from you just as they dissent from the state. Nothing will change. At best you might end the war in Heaven, but the point of that is that it's what the people there want. On both sides. It's a paradise. Might not be your idea of paradise, but that's what this place is for. Seriously... you're not going to change anything." 

I think this last quote explains why Alex needs to blackmail Stew to get him on side. Stew doesn't believe a united Heaven and Hell will work. 

In BS6, Peter Snow told us: "Stew himself was actually meant to have organised a coup two-thousand years ago; a plot that chiefly failed because no-one thought to let Stew in on the plan." So maybe Stew isn't foiling Bhuvana's plans intentionally. Instead he is being guided by Alex and Leon. Dunno how different this path is from the pre-Stargate course of events. Presumably Stew got crucified before, without their involvement. But maybe that time it was more by incompetence. Bhuvana says in BS5: "You were supposed to be organising a coup. And all you could scrape together were twelve weedy little men and a couple of prossies? You're flaming useless, petal."

Anyway, here we see Stew being tortured by Bhuvana, but presumably this is just allegorical. Is she torturing him because he messed up? Is she exercising any real sort of power? I don't think she is. I think this is an illustration of Bhuvana's frustration and Stew's puppet-status (both under Bhuvana and under Alex & Leon).

Galena's Tardis 
Galena has regenerated. She's also keen on red wine. Does the wine have any significance beyond the Three Colours old woman from Ep1?
Galena has a broken Tardis. It needs fixing so she can save the day later.

Leon and Barnie 
Leon find a dead Barnie in his room and decides to hide it in the lift. As you do. We watch a trained assassin at work.

God's Assassination 
Is the shot Alex in on it? A: Yes. He's revived by John and the goes off after Stew, before giving Omra a lift. So he must be in on everything. Which seems to imply that John is in on it too. Babysham suggests that the act of John reviving Alex lets John in on the plot, so maybe the team had other ideas. Or maybe Leon shooting Alex was not in the plan.

John's Penguins 
I think there is more to this scene than meets the eye. At first glance it is John playing the right-wing fundamentalist christian. But I think two other scenes are tied to this: Alex dressed as a penguin, and the bird laying the crystal. Is John searching for the crystal in this scene? And to what end is the penguin costume? How do the two penguin references fit with the "strictly no penguins" sign on the corridor? 

Jim_SD's Tardis 
Jim_SD has a fancy Tardis.

Alex is healed 
My assumption is that this Alex has already taken down Stew, though I suppose it need only be an intention. Either way, if BS is to be believed, John becomes aware of and a party to the Toshist conspiracy from here. Nice of him to have helped Alex then, but Alex did work for God, so...

Inside the Wedding Cake 
Gabriel has discovered part of the Toshist plot. He has his own plot, but hopes to take Leon as a fall guy. But Leon escapes in the Tardis glasses.

Tram sequence 
Again, why time is messy, I'm not sure. This is basically another angles of the events in BS6.

Jim_SD's Tardis 
Leon and Jim_SD prove to us that they are working together.

Galena's Tardis 
Jason clearly likes older women.

God's Assassination 
Babysham is arrested. We see the first infiltration of Hell's police force by Bill cast (Toshists).

Heaven 
Heaven is a ramshackled affair. It's hard to believe that this angel who seems so lowly in the airport will soon be in charge. But he will.

Calvados 
The Tardis is taken to Calvados so that it can travel to Earth and/or Heaven. My guess is that they're sending out some sort of distress signal to past and future Jims, hence the Take a Chance sequence.

Mental Hospital 
Lucy languishes in an institute. I think this is more than that, though. I think it's a deliberate echo of the Buffy episode where she's comatose rather than a vampire slayer. Just as our heroes are in Chockablock rather than in Hell.

Derbyshire 
Alex is helping Omra with the sheep problem while grooming him for the leadership of Heaven.

Picholl's office 
Picholl is a rival of Babysham. Caroline employs him to find Percy(?). Her dossier contains other key cast such as Bond_DC and Jim_DT. How does Caroline know about these incarnations? Through her time with Jim?

Police Station 
Che_F's pheasant is so local, even the local police want a piece. Our first clue that Che is in collusion with the Toshists.

Certain Death 
Presumably the real version of the events dramatised in Ep5, in which we first encounter Leon 1 (The Assassin). Strangely moving. Played as an alegory of other Leon events, perhaps.

Mental Hospital 
Curious, this. We see Jim_SP regenerate as Jim_CE. But later we're back with Jim_SP. Therefore, the regeneration post-dates the Vortex. Jim_SP must, for some reason, return to the hospital and get killed.

THX roof garden 
Inanna and Utu. Two minor deities. They seem to be in Hell, but they can't be because Inanna needs Alex to deliver into Hell later. Maybe the THX roof-garden is some sort of special enclave.
We have yet another parody of the Garden of Eden. But this time the woman kills the Gecko. She also kills the tree (Bhuvana?).

Stew signs autographs 
So we have Stew and his two main disciples: John and Mary. Which the Da Vinci code might have us belive are equatable. And then Alex comes. From Ep6? Or is it a later Alex?

Compacting Chamber 
Rod theory: When we lose Rod and Leon in Ep9, they are zapped away by Nordic gods. Leon finds himself in the Certain Death era. Rod becomes a Nordic god, perhaps hand selected. Though how he got there without previously meeting himself, who knows... Maybe trying to find logic in time-travel is impossible if the chockablock theory holds, which it seems to. But anyway... here's Rod, sometime later, about to be squished... presumably not far from where he regenerated on F34.

Take a Chance sequence 
Is there any significance to the song? Just the split-screen? And the fact that the project is a bit risky? We see all the Jims we can think of (apart from David Tennant) but most of them don't end up helping. Who knows why?
RG seems to be busy recreating the sleeve to Ziggy Stardust.
DT gets involved.
SP gets involved despite being in a pillbox during the song.
CE doesn't get involved cos he's too busy being freshly regenerated.
FS doesn't get involved either.
TB doesn't get involved. Just like with the Five Doctors.
AH does.
PD is too busy being crushed.
SD we know about.
We also get to see a run of assistants. Some are more obviously Dr Who-y than others.

THX roof garden 
Bessy, our favourite holy cow, and herself a dimensional portal, gets loose and escapes into Hell. This is clearly as a response to the coup in Heaven. Why then does Babysham not get animated in the same way? Is the THX roof garden closer to events than Babysham?

Heavenly coup
Gabriel and his guard execute a coup in Heaven. A flick through my copy of Revelation suggests that one bench holds the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel, while the other holds the 12 apostles. 
Tribes:
Rueben(s Baricello)
Simeon (Simon Groom)
Levi (Nick Kamen)
Judah (Geoff Capes -- Judah was supposed to be amazingly strong)
Issachar (Bernard HIll -- a weak pun on Gizzajob? Or a reference to the etymology meaning man of hire?)
Zebulon (Ian Lavender -- an American explorer called Zebulon Pike)
Dan(ni Behr)
Gad (Gaz Top -- a play on his name? Not sure what the mining gear is about)
Naphtali  (John Cleese -- the Naphtali tribe had a military nature; perhaps also playing on naphta, hence the flames)
Asher (Jane...)
Joseph (Philip Schofield -- played Joseph in musical)
Benjamin (Goldie Hawn -- from Private Benjamin)

Apostles:
Empty seat: Simon Peter (Peter Simon) - he has other work outside the throne room. He is perhaps part of the Angelic plot.
Andrew (o'Connor)
James (Bond)
Empty seat: John, brother of James (implying that James is Siddor's brother, which we are told explicitly in the Baccara game) - John is away, for whatever reason.
Philip(pa Forester) - clearly Stew's gang is more sexually balanced than the gospels suggested.
Nathaniel (Natalie Portman)
Thomas (Tom Paulin) - as a critic, he often doubts.
Empty seat: James, brother of Jesus -- We know two other Jameses in ANS: our own Jim and MI7's Jim2. We see neither as a disciple of Stew, but I'm led to undestand that Christian tradition has it that James joins the gang after the crucifixion.  We see Jim_RG on the bus and he says "Stew? I didn't recognise... Your mum's worried sick. You should call her." This doesn't seem like the words of a brother. But it's not impossible. We know that Jim's parents are Siddor and Queen Paté. We know that Stew's parents are God/Bhuvana/Gabriel/Joseph and Mary. We know that God is not Siddor, but we also know that Jim was adopted. So perhaps Jim was adopted by Joseph and Mary. The adoption would perhaps lend more weight to the "your" in Jim's line. Wonder why this hasn't been mentioned since? Amnesia? A quiet life?
Matthew (Paris)
Simon (Pegg)
Empty seat: Judas (Leon) -- the fact that some of the seats are empty suggests that Stew's party are a bit more active than the Israelites.
Mary (Janet Ellis) - The last couple of slots tend to be a bit variable in church terms. SJ's evidently opted for Mary.

There should be four eye-covered winged beasts surrounding the throne: a man (representing Matthew), a lion (representing Mark), an ox (representing Luke) and an eagle (representing John). Only the lion is present, and it is promptly dispatched. The other three are clearly the metallic "guardians" we come across later.

The coup seems to come off rather easily. Security may be high at the airport, but seems less high in the palace.

Derbyshire 
The lamb of god should also be in the throneroom. If we assume it to be Stew, then he is busy down below. Here we see an allegorical lamb getting his at Alex's hand. Maybe Stew's fate lies in the same direction...

Peace Garden 
Is there any significance to the orchestra playing Handel's Water Music, and Vivaldi's Spring? Are they more Stewish references? Jesus as the Water of Life or somesuch?

Duck lays crystal 
The crystal of Enderon (CofE) is born of a (male) duck. Is this some sort of reference to the church? The duck is apparently a green-winged teal. Is that significant?

Bush baby 
For the guardians to be activated, they require the blood of a representative creature. So Babysham has a bush-baby's blood. Babysham is only two letters out from Bushbaby (bu / am).

Jim_SD's Tardis 
Evidently, Jim and Leon have some time to kill. They play Chuckie Egg and Joust. The games tie in with events in other screens.

Tattershall Castle 
Dunno if the setting is significant. We see it again in the Queen Elizabeth sequence. But here we get the blood for the "Eagle".

Heaven 
We see Bond regenerate, proving what we already expected. We still don't know if Chris or Craig are Bonds too, but we can guess.

Police station 
We return to the interview room from BS.

Metal bird 
An unseen driver (presumably John) delivers the blood to the metal bird, activating our first guardian.

Caesarea Philippi 
Peter Simon has joined the gang. Alex delivers his ultimatum to Stew. From this point on, Stew is a pawn in the "Toshist" plan.

Crypt
Alex being moody. Not sure why his fingers are aflame. "Defender of Man" is what 'Alexander' means. Not sure about the "Flame of Life" bit.

Heavenly throne 
The Heaven 17, aided by Che, have secured their respective provinces of Heaven.

Jim_DT's Tardis 
He has a traditional limbo interior. It is traditionally malfunctioning.

Heaven 
Bond escapes in the Wedding Cake. Evidently, you can fly to Heaven from Hell and vice-versa.

Police station 
We see for (almost) certain that there are two Babyshams.

Church Hall 
Stew now has his disciples. The footage makes it looks like some clandestine rally.

Graves Art Gallery 
Jim_DT lands in Hell.

York University 
Another stab at A Clockwork Orange. John is on his way out of favour... presumably as Stew is diverging from his old plan.

Lay All Your Love sequence 
Extending the theme, with Stew's lust for glory, and the thoughts of those who love him.

Virginia Plain sequence 
Is the Simon Says bit just a pun at Peter Simon's expense? Or is there more to it? Anyway, here John is finally replaced by Leon.

Furnival Square 
The Wedding Cake crashlands in Hell. It is yards from its starting point, suggesting some sort of homing mechanism.

Picholl and the bird 
The bird is attacking Picholl. It seems to fixate on him. Is there any reason for this? Perhaps his contact with Caroline who has been in contact with Stew?

Bessy and the bison 
The "ox" guardian is created by the sexual union of Bessy and a metal bison.

Mental Hospital 
Jim_SP collects Lucy. What is the plan here? BS seems to be suggesting that plan A is to keep Lucy in charge of Hell. Her death in the Vortex would be difficult to correct as it relies on her own second-guessing of probably rather random play. Perhaps this is why plan B comes into being: getting Inanna to supplant Lucy. This is a rather bloody end for SMG to be decided by some of her old friends. Though I expect Alex would find it easy enough to come to terms with ;) . 

Alex and Inanna 
Alex meets Inanna and he and Omra set out to "find" Bessy. Perhaps the bridge is some sort of boundary (see below).

The bus ride 
The bus into York is the donkey ride into Jerusalem. The encounter with Jim and a curiously cast Anna recalls an incident in the Bible where Jesus's family turn up to try and talk him out of this crazy Son of God business, and he tells them to piss off. (About a page later he tells us that the greatest commandment is Honour Thy Mother and Father!). Why Anna is played by Daniel Radcliffe, I'm not sure... Maybe s/he fancied a change?

Picholl and the bird 
It seems that the mysterious double-helix thing is some sort of magical decoy that attracts the guardians. Maybe the helix is Stew's DNA. That would make this a sort of representation of the communion. Why are there several DJs sat watching this? Is it a reference back to John Peel and Steve Lamac? Or are they demons to the angels we see in the Toshist surrender:

Toshists surrender 
Our first formal introduction to the Toshists. They've been forced to surrender. The war in Heaven is over. Two angels, in the form of '80s Radio 1 DJs.

Chez Babysham / Police station
John turns up in search of BS. He seems to know where to look. He gets the Bhuvana-programmed version. Had he got the other, Stew would not've been killed. But he didn't. So BS_B becomes the "man" guardian. Alan merges with the other Alan. He's presumably practiced from his time in the Stargate in Ep9. 

Bond & Picholl 
Picholl recognises Bond from his file. It must be a pretty in-depth file in that case. It's probably his only lead. He pursues.

Leader of the Pack 
Perhaps the most direct of lyrics, not least because in this case they've been changed to reflect the storyline.

Bessy blown up 
Bessy's death gives Inanna an excuse to come to Hell. Presumably she needs one.

Humber Bridge 
Is this just for the white phone-box gag? Or is there some point to these bridges? Are they connections between Heaven and Hell? What about Calvados?
Inanna is in THX. Alex starts out in Croissant / Heaven and then goes to Hell, which seem to be on the same side of that particular bridge. They end up in Jim_SD's Tardis and then Hell.
Jim_SP starts off in Hell, then travels to Jim_AH's Tardis, then Jim_SD's Tardis, and then to Hell again. So do the bridges lead to Calvados or something?

The bison 
Another guardian doomed to succumb to the Stew-Helix diversion.

Alex & Inanna 
So Alex takes Inanna to Jim_SD's Tardis.

Jim_AH's Tardis 
Jim_SP takes Lucy here, and from there they will go to Jim_SD's Tardis.

York Minster 
We hit the famous bits of the passion. Stew causes some very obvious trouble.

Picholl & Jim_DT 
Picholl loses Bond but finds Jim_DT.

Police station 
Marty gets in the way of Robosham and is killed. Meanwhile, the MI7-coded Babysham snaps out of his previous daze. His program has presumably activated.

York Minster cont. 
Jesus is so pissed off by an out of season fig tree no bearing fruit that he curses it. Seems a bit harsh. Here he attacks Archie from Emmerdale. The plane landing on him is a parody of events in that soap.

Peace Gardens Crypt
A secret chamber beneath the heart of Sheffield Hell. In it is what looks like a Tardis. And also Mr Bond.

Police station 
Stew arrives in what is supposed to be a safe location. But it is crawling with Toshists. Robosham reaches Stew, which BS suggests (in the lecture) is a bad thing for all concerned. Fortunately, BS turns up and kills Stew. He quotes Shakespeare: Julius Caesar (they're the last words of the suicide-committing Brutus, it seems). I was quite shocked by this scene. It's very layered in terms of motives and narrative, I think. BS is acting on his MI7 programme which is against Stew. But he also seems to be working in Stew's interests in as much as Stew will be forced into the Godly Crown he apparently doesn't want. Just about everyone is working in a different direction to everyone else. Alan comes out of it just as he did in Ep8. 

Late Night Baccara sequence 
Punning after Casino Royale's cards sequence. But as Dan pointed out before we saw ANSX, this ties with Inanna's journey into Hell. It also provides her with a motive (albeit a feeble one) to take a dislike to Lucy. It also gives us another incarnation of Bond.

Police station 
Babysham and Robosham fight. Robosham gets sucked into the diversion.

Stew is moved 
I thought this looked familiar. Then it hit me. It's the stairs where the police in Sheffield arrested that girl in a rather rough way. This is a parody of that.

Bison on the Wicker 
The bison guardian nearly reaches Stew but gets diverted and creates the energy pulse that catches Robosham and saves Babysham from certain death.

Last Supper 
Much of the dialogue from this scene is lifted from a scene in the Bible, where Jesus is anointed using some expensive gunk. Judas takes offense at this wasteful act. Here, I think there may be a suggestion that the gunk will protect Stew during the crucifixion, perhaps by baking in the sun and holding him rigid?

Winter Gardens 
Ant is now in Hell. Presumably he's here to monitor the progress of MI7's plot. He seems unphased by the attack of the Heaven 17's ninja force. He seems to be expecting it.

Peace Gardens 
Some more time-play, just in case we forgot about the Stargate and its curious effects.

Alex's pursuit 
Alex, working for John (hence the ambulance), follows the van with Stew in it. He misses the turning and crashes into the Wedding Cake crater.

THX roof garden 
It seems John has regenerated since last we saw him. He now has the makings of Siddor. This scene doesn't help clear up the THX/Hell connection at all.

Threads explosion sequence 
So what is the course of the exploding city? Is it the power-surge of the guardian-munching diversion, or is it Picholl playing with the Tardis? Or is it a combination of the two?

Police station 
Alan makes his move. This seems to be a signal for the MI7 plot to move on a pace.

Peace Gardens Crypt 
Jim_SD's Tardis arrives at the Hell Tardis. This gives us two Alex's in the one time-frame, in addition to all the Jims.
I'm inclined to ask, as Picholl does, why they're in fancy dress. Presumably it's something they did after playing Baccara. The Tardis wardrobe room is there to be played with.

Novotel 
The Toshists bungle Stew into another building-cum-spaceship. I expected the Crucible, but no.

Ant on Fargate 
Ant presses on. He presumably must reach a certain location to access the Vortex.

Dennis Waterman 
Another odd historical scene with Alex. What's going on here, apart from the obvious, I don't know. Is it a clue as to Alex's past?

Stew's betrayal 
Is Mary cheating Stew for Jimmy? Leon arrives and snogs Stew, betraying him to the police. Does the kiss tell us that Leon had replaced John and Mary in Stew's affections? Or is it just a comic exaggeration of the biblical account?

Galena's Tardis 
Throughout the last half of ANSX we see people checking their watches, as if everything needs to be carefully timed. Not sure why this should be the case in time-travel, but presumably Galena was suppose to arrive at the Hell Tardis earlier than she did. Interesting use of "Hell" in that scene.

Peace Gardens Crypt 
The ninja angels attack our party, albeit in a rather pathetic manner. Siddor turns up. I assume he regenerated in the THX, then went about through time for the Crystal. That's why I think he was on the corridor at the start. 
Inanna decides this is the moment to carry out her coup, but it doesn't go very well: Lucy kills her. 
What was Inanna going to do before she was killed? Was this the best time to pick a fight with Lucy?
Anyway, that done, everyone fights with the rubbish ninjas. And Siddor fixes the broken Tardis. Galena shows up to finish off the ninjas and take a trip to the vortex.
So that's what the CofE was? A bit out of the Hell Tardis?
I'm not sure I like this scene of ANSX. I think it played a bit limp.

Alex's pursuit 
Alex in the Wedding Cake pursues the corpse of Stew in the Novotel. To what end? He's clearly intent on destroying the Novotel. Is it just so that Stew's flesh will rain down on Inanna?

Police station 
Quite amusing scene with Peter Simon denying Stew.

Big Brother 
Our second trip to the Big Brother house. The Mr T lookalike is presumably both a reference to Face being on the last BB, and Barabas sounding a bit like BA Baracus. Heh. Well the public decided.

Vortex sequence 
How do they end up in the Vortex? What is it, anyway? Something to dow with the Stargate? The mantle of the universe? Do MI7 summon them there? Is it a Tardis malfunction? Or what? BS says: "With the crystal in place, 
the Tardis opens up the Vortex to visitors, saving Hell from certain destruction, and foiling MI7's plans." Not sure what to make of that, really.
Anyway, they're there. And so is Percy. Is Alan banging Percy? 
It seems that Percy is next in line to the throne of Heaven. Sally (wherever she is) would be by-passed under male-preference, with Stew next in line, and then his offspring, ie Percy. 
So MI7 tag on to Percy, and have their own scheme for the future of the Afterlife. Presumably it isn't what our 'heroes' have in mind.
The Vortex is the final round from an '80s BBC2 gameshow called The Adventure Game. Fred Harris and Johnny Ball were both contestants at one time or another.
Picholl, Joe and Lucy are killed in the Vortex. Jim_AH regenerates as Jim_PD, trapping Ant, Alan, and Percy in a huge tumour. 

Crucifixion 
Thirty denarii = thirty pieces of silver, so Leon uses his reward to bribe the guards at the crucifixion. I like the puddle-Tardis. 

Prison cell 
Leon and Alex seem to get back to the Hell Tardis, so why does Jim_SD get trapped in the prison cell? MAybe, perhaps, it's because Leon and Alex have taken Jim_SD's Tardis to fetch Stew. Dunno why it should be that, but it's th best theory I've got. Jim presumably starves and is forced to regenerate as Jim_CB, as per the scene in the Take a Chance sequence. This would be a sensible reason to regenerate fat.

Peace Gardens Crypt 
The decidedly odd communion scene, in which Leon and Alex feen bits of Stew to Inanna. It also gets to be a pun on stew. And it fits Dan's research about the two sexless creatures (maybe that's why Midge had to burn Alex with cigarettes, because there was nothing else for her to do..). Meanwhile, the other Stew is still locked in his cruciform pose... perhaps it's cramp but I think it's the gunk from earlier.

Heaven 
The Wedding Cake Alex picks up Omra and Jim_DT (+Zoe) and they go to the Throne Room where Che and the Toshists have wiped out the angels. Omra is made the new ruler of Heaven.

Babysham's lecture 
This made me laugh.
One obvious issue: The reason they get the second Stew is because the first is reached by the Guardian Robosham. But Robosham is only activated as a result of John's being replaced by Leon as part of the deal with the second Stew. Presumably, Stew and John fell out anyway, without Alex and Leon's involvement.
I am inclined to believe that Leon is right about the stargate being more significant to the plot than BS allows. I think it's more than just a regime change.
As for the foot-less pigeons, I have no idea.
Evidently, Stew has some power over the redevelopment of Hell, given his map-making.

God's funeral sequence 
...and Bessy's. A lovely closing sequence. And Fred Harris with some sort of portal. It could be a dimensional portal like the one at the start of Ep4. Or it could (most likely, I think) be the exit to Chockablock. Or, it could all be a crazy dream. Can anything be drawn from the bird thing over the door?

It's worth remembering, I think, that life before chockabock was already pretty weird and contained most of the elements we've seen since: timelords, Bond, Heaven and Hell, Toshists, Stew as Jesus etc.

Leon's bus-ride sequence
Is he thinking of Stew? Or, as I suspect, is he simply thinking of the world he's about to destroy? Presumably he's about to Tardis back to his youth and blow himself up as we saw in the trailer. Following 4Square's theory, this will just remove him from any future time-frames... though perhaps if the stargate is closed, the rules are changed? Perhaps this is the last opportunity to travel back in time before the stargate seals.
The blood cross is presumably a Passover reference. Leon is not at the funeral... he has been passed over by Fred Harris. And now he is wiping out a version of himself, with all the ramifications that will have (his role at the beginning of the establishment of Croissant (which is evidently Heaven) for one).

So what's ANSX about?
It's about bodging a new regime in heaven to somehow bring about an exit from Chockablock. Presumably the aim of the Chockablock game was to bring peace to Heaven or something.
It's also about Leon losing faith in the plot and going back to erase the slate. Is Leon still trapped in Chockablock? Does he foil the escape at the last moment?

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DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001

 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704102317 - Edited by DarthPat: 200704102344
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DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704152134
Great stuff, DarthPat. I like.

The corridor is visited by a figure unseen. Who?
I like your Siddor theory. I thought Ant or Leon, but I think I may be converted.

We assume Econ is playing his guitar to communicate with aliens. Is it?
Maybe the geese have replaced Econ with some sort of goose stand-in. A wounded guitar and a goose sound not entriely dissimilar...

Our Leon makes a deal with the Toshists. He is being spied on by another Leon. Is this Leon significant?
Good question; especially in light of what happens with Leon at the end. Still, I suspect this is just a random Gleconian.

Is it a reference to Dick Turpin's York connection?
Could be... but what does that make the Elizabethan scene? Maybe this is just to show that Alex has been causing trouble in various time-periods. Perhaps he is (has always been) immortal.

Is the fact that it is backwards significant?
Am I right in thinking that all the scenes with funny time-play are flashbacks? Are there any flashbacks that don't have time-play? Or vice-versa? I don't see anything in the Liz sequence, so maybe that theory isn't right.

As Stew is from Heaven, it probably isn't a Hell fantasy. Is it rather another reminder of the Chockablock? 
Yeah, it could well be. I think that's the most reasonable explanation.

Does anyone have a translation of what Stew says / writes?
BabelFish gives: "blissful the geese, that these klironomi soysjn the n ground n"
InterTran gives: "???????? the ????? ??? auto inheritance ?????? ?? ? land ?"
DanTheDestroyer gives: "blesséd be the geese, for they shalt inherit the earth"
Why is Stew saying that the geese are blesséd? Or is he saying it in a mournful northern way: "those blesséd geese; they shall inherit the earth; the buggers..." ?

Do the geese attack Econ cos they're geese? Or cos he stole the crystal? Or cos they sense the crystal? Or cos Siddor set them on him?
Maybe, like the aliens, the geese are drawn to the crystal. Or maybe they just took a dislike to Econ. I don't think Siddor had anything to do with them, unless the above quote means Stew was in league with the geese (seems unlikely to me).

(Amazing Grace) Why? Is it to do with the slavery anniversiary? Are the lyrics significant? I think it's about the agenda: about the reasoning behind the reforms in the Afterlife we see being carried out. Are the singers significant?

I like your "reform" notion. I can think of nothing better, other than that it is slightly amusing for the fish to sing the song. I don't think there's anything very significant about the singers.

Stew is big with the fishies. Again, what is he saying? 
BabelFish gives: "fiat sex! or gratia placendi!"
InterTran gives: "breathe sex! o thankful afterbirth!"
Google suggests: "decree sex! o for the sake of pleasing!"
DanTheDestroyer admits defeat on the exact meaning.

And what is the reason for this battle with his ex-girlfriends? Is it a play on the relationship between Christ and Humanity? 
This scene quotes Fellini's 8½, which the first trailer used music from. Not sure if there's any greater depth to it than that until Bhuvana arrives.

Is she torturing him because he messed up? Is she exercising any real sort of power?
I like your point about the puppet Stew. I think you sum it up pretty well. I suppose the rib business quotes Genesis aswell as 2001: Bhuvana created Stew... maybe she means to use his rib to have another go. Maybe Sally's conspicuous absence from the plots is deliberate... maybe a NS11 will have her avenging Bhuvana or something? I'm not sure.

Does the wine have any significance beyond the Three Colours old woman from Ep1?
Perhaps Stew has been doing cabaret for her.

Is John searching for the crystal in this scene? And to what end is the penguin costume? How do the two penguin references fit with the "strictly no penguins" sign on the corridor? 
I think you're right. This is meant to mislead us into assuming that John is some sort of Fundamentalist rightwing Christian. But I think really (Pulp Fiction quotes aside) he's just looking for the crystal. As for the penguin theme... I'm not sure. Maybe Alex's penguin suit is some sort of reference to Bond's tuxedo. Or maybe penguins are one level below geese. I find that hard to believe.

Her dossier contains other key cast such as Bond_DC and Jim_DT. How does Caroline know about these incarnations? Through her time with Jim?
Yes, I think so. And/or she is working for MI7. Incidentally, there was a real MI7. It existed in WW1 to monitor the press, produce propoganda and conduct censorship. Not sure it's relevant to the story though.

And then Alex comes. From Ep6? Or is it a later Alex?
I imagine the Ep6 Alex would've got the signature, just to cover any future eventualities.
 
 

Take a Chance sequence: Is there any significance to the song? Just the split-screen? And the fact that the project is a bit risky? We see all the Jims we can think of (apart from David Tennant) but most of them don't end up helping. Who knows why?
I can't think of any better reasons behind the choice of the song. Interesting that we have two Abba numbers. I don't have any answers as to why some Jims don't get involved and others do, but potentially I suspect the call is going out to any Jim in a Tardis, ever. We just concentrate on different incarnations like they're different people. Maybe Jim only neede a couple of helpers, and then canceled the call when he got them.

Why then does Babysham not get animated in the same way? Is the THX roof garden closer to events than Babysham?
Maybe it is as you say. Though we don't see BS at the time. Maybe he was banging on the doors, but the doors were stronger.

Is there any significance to the orchestra playing Handel's Water Music, and Vivaldi's Spring? Are they more Stewish references? Jesus as the Water of Life or somesuch?
The water attacks the orchestra. A spring is a source of water. I think that is the gag.

The crystal of Enderon (CofE) is born of a (male) duck. Is this some sort of reference to the church? The duck is apparently a green-winged teal. Is that significant?
I can't see any significance but that doesn't meant there isn't any. David Lynch talks of Eye of the Duck scenes. Maybe this is one such scene.

Is the Simon Says bit just a pun at Peter Simon's expense? Or is there more to it?
I think it's just the pun. But it works with the quartered screen. Maybe it also makes a point about leaders and followers or the blind leading the blind or something.

The bird is attacking Picholl. It seems to fixate on him. Is there any reason for this? Perhaps his contact with Caroline who has been in contact with Stew?
Your suggestion is the best I can muster.

Jim_SP collects Lucy. What is the plan here? 
Again, I think your analysis is the most plausible fit.

Why Anna is played by Daniel Radcliffe, I'm not sure... Maybe s/he fancied a change?
Maybe. Maybe it's all been downhill for Jason. That or it's some sort of in-joke I'm not in on.

Why are there several DJs sat watching this? Is it a reference back to John Peel and Steve Lamac? Or are they demons to the angels we see in the Toshist surrender?
Not sure. Perhaps it's both.

Is this just for the white phone-box gag? Or is there some point to these bridges? Are they connections between Heaven and Hell? What about Calvados?
The bridges seem to form so connection between Heaven and Hell.But I wouldn't be surprised if the main reason was the phone-box gag.

So do the bridges lead to Calvados or something?
You know as much as I... Shrugs.

Here, I think there may be a suggestion that the gunk will protect Stew during the crucifixion, perhaps by baking in the sun and holding him rigid?
Looks like it might be.

So what is the course of the exploding city? Is it the power-surge of the guardian-munching diversion, or is it Picholl playing with the Tardis? Or is it a combination of the two?
Probably a combination. I think the lighting surge is the "diversion". The explosions are the combination of the diversion and the dematerialisation.

Another odd historical scene with Alex. Is it a clue as to Alex's past?
I think there's a painting of Queen Mary that looks like Dennis Waterman. Queen Mary was Elizabeth's half-sister. I suppose you're right and this is a clue into who Alex is. He's someone who worked as a highway man and gave blowjobs to the Queen. Or something. I'm not sure that gives me any answers. Let alone you.

Is Mary cheating Stew for Jimmy? 
Looks like she might be.

Does the kiss tell us that Leon had replaced John and Mary in Stew's affections? Or is it just a comic exaggeration of the biblical account?
I think it's mainly the latter.

What was Inanna going to do before she was killed? Was this the best time to pick a fight with Lucy?
She seems to have been distracted from her argument with Lucy by the arrival of Siddor. Perhaps she just wanted to see that part of the plan being exercised. It does seem a very odd time to choose to fight with Lucy, but Galena was presumably due to arrive. My best effort at an explanation is: Inanna was due to kill Lucy at this point, with Galena showing up before Siddor. When Siddor turns up first, Inanna goes to check what's happening.
But if you ignore the various schemes, on the face of it it just looks like Inanna is working with the MI7 Ninjas against Lucy and Siddor. I don't suppose that can be the right reading though.
Plan A was to leave Lucy in charge, but she gets zapped in the vortex.
So Alex goes back to collect Inanna.
Inanna must ideally supplant Lucy, but fails.
So Alex has to go back and make some Stew.

So that's what the CofE was? A bit out of the Hell Tardis?
It looks like it's the bit of the Hell Tardis that allows it to travel through time and space: the engine if you like.Without it, the Tardis just deals with the terraforming and general management of the Hell environment.
This part of the plot must pre-date Inanna's involvement, and Alex's Wedding Cake adventure.

Alex in the Wedding Cake pursues the corpse of Stew in the Novotel. To what end? Is it just so that Stew's flesh will rain down on Inanna?
Yes. I think so. 

How do they end up in the Vortex? What is it, anyway? Something to dow with the Stargate? The mantle of the universe? Do MI7 summon them there? Is it a Tardis malfunction? Or what? 
The Tardis takes them there, saving them from the de-laminating Hell. Presumably the vortex is the mantle of the universe... a sort of neutral territory in time and space. But MI7 seem to have beaten the Tardis there and set things up to their advantage. Now I suppose our heroes could've worked to prevent this but they had a lot of other things on, and what with Lucy, you could say things played into their hands a little. So for whatever reason, they didn't interfere. All they need to do is wait for a Jim to get zapped. Maybe if Leon or Alex had been zapped, things would've had to be toyed with. They lose Picholl, who they didn't know, and Joe, which seems a bit of a sacrifice. But perhaps they considered it worth it. Does seem odd though. Babysham's comment that the vortex saves Hell from certain destruction is probably important. Maybe the Vortex is a sort of safe-mode for Tardis-spacetime.

Is Alan banging Percy? 
I don't know about that. He does seem rather familiar with her given her position.

Leon and Alex seem to get back to the Hell Tardis, so why does Jim_SD get trapped in the prison cell? 
A curious one, that. Maybe this is something that has not gone to plan. We don't see where any of the cast rematerialise except Jim_SD. Maybe they all rematerialised somewhere in Hell, and had to find each other or whatever, but Jim_SD had a bit of bad luck in getting stuck in a cell.

Fred Harris with some sort of portal. It could be a dimensional portal like the one at the start of Ep4. Or it could (most likely, I think) be the exit to Chockablock. Or, it could all be a crazy dream. Can anything be drawn from the bird thing over the door?
Blessed are the geese for they shall inherit the earth, says the rotunda on the hill.  Maybe, after all this hard work, it's a trap. Don't you believe in him cos he's a sweet talkin' guy... Are we just talking about God, or is John as big a fibber? Interesting that the last image is of the bird, and the last words we hear are "no, no, no."
Or maybe it's a depiction of the feetless pigeons. I assume in reality it's meant to be a dove, and doves and pigeons are one and the same.

Leon's bus-ride sequence: Is he thinking of Stew? Or, as I suspect, is he simply thinking of the world he's about to destroy? 
Again, I think the latter.

Perhaps if the stargate is closed, the rules are changed? 
It could be, as you say, that he travels back in time taking advantage of the still open stargate. The events at the funeral close the stargate and seal Leon's future. Leon then destroys that future and in so doing destroys everything in the New Soap. 
This raises two questions:
1) It implies, I feel, that the stargate (essential for timetravel) is being closed at the end of ANSX. 
2) To what extent is Chockablock a factor in this issue?

Taking 1 first:
I think the following passage is crucial:

LEON 
This better work. 

ALEX 
If it doesn't, we just go 
back again. 

LEON 
Not once the Stargate's sealed. 

ALEX 
No. I suppose not. 

LEON 
What I don't get is why we 
just don't go back and 
stop any of this. 

ALEX 
How much do you 
wipe out then?

LEON
Mm.

This, I feel, marks the beginning of the plan Leon is executing in the You're My World sequence.
The Stargate was opened with blood and mercury. Leon shot God with mercury bullets. And now God is cremated. Maybe this is the closing of the stargate. Interestingly, if you play the two endings simultaneously, the doorway in the cemetery explodes immediately after Leon's tardis dematerialises. If that marks the closing of the Stargate, Leon only just makes the journey in time.

Now, in the trailer, Leon's Tardis dematerialises again after he gives the goose to the infant Leon. But this need not be a journey through time. Leon could just be teleporting out of the way. So, presumably, Leon lives on in his own time, thanks to the Stargate. But he is the only representative of the Leon future he destroys with the goose bomb. He is a temporal anomaly.

So what is Leon destroying? Is he destroying all his friends? Yes. Let me run a thought experiment:

The events in Episode 0 are, we can fairly safely assume, at least partly down to MI7's involvement.
MI7 are considerable protagonists. They open the Stargate, build York University, maybe even fascilitate the location of the Crystal of Enderon. 
MI7 open the stargate quite independently of our key cast.
This allows the likes of Jim to travel through time, and so he enters our story as a result of Ep8.
Jim is not a "timelord" so much as a demigod: one of Stew's disciples. 
Jim_PD and Leon1 are abducted by Nordic Gods or somesuch. Leon is in Certain Death. Jim_PD is Rod. Note: Jim_PD could conceivably arrive in this position without meeting Stew, Alex and Leon.
Leon works as an assasin. Gets tied up in the whole Zen Flamenco nonesense. Gets cloned. 
Croissant becomes Gleceon7. At some point this is also Heaven and maybe even York. Could AVWoman and Conman be Inanna and Omra? Is this the foundation of Heaven and Hell? Inanna and Omra have rotating custody of the Afterlife (add a c and a t and Afterlife is an anagram of Attercliffe, but that's a very different story)... They're overthrown by Yoga who creates snowballing conflict in their wake. Eventually the society is overcome by Leons and becomes Gleceon7. And ultimately this is (presumably) overthrown (somehow or other) by God and his friends. Hell is established in conjunction, perhaps thanks to Stew. Etc. Etc. Hell and Heaven combined under Omra and Inanna. Etc Etc.
God enters the picture thanks to the stargate. Perhaps the stargate was locked by Bhuvana after the creation of the world. At some point, God gets fed up of intervening on Earth, and takes over Gleceon7 to create Heaven. 
Stew comes to Earth thanks to Bhuvana, but blocks her plan to take over by killing himself. 
Leon and Alex rescue Stew from the cross. Stew eventually joins earlier versions of them on the corridor, perhaps to better understand their intentions.
Leon, Alex and Jim, perhaps working a course of damage limitation, get involved in the scheme to harmonise the afterlife and close the stargate.
Leon goes back to before this chain of events, to a position before MI7 opened the stargate. And then the stargate closes. He is able to blow himself up and arrest most of the above projects. 
Does he cease to exist? I don't know.

Issue 2: Chockablock.
The above is complicated by the involvement of Chockablock. If we assume that Chockablock is a red herring, and that they are not "in" it, then the above timeline is sound. But if we accept the Chockablock theory of reality, then everything is thrown into question. We can accept that the above is the way events are found to work within the fictional Chockablock world. Alex, Jim and Stew think they've solved the Chockablock puzzle and are set to leave the computer. But Leon's excercise resets the Chockablock universe. Either a) Alex, Jim and Stew escape in time, or b) Leon condemns them to remain trapped, while probably trapping himself in his own past. Either way, Leon is presumably still trapped in Chockablock. I doubt Chockablock would allow him to die. It doesn't seem to work like that.

So what's ANSX about? Is Leon still trapped in Chockablock? Does he foil the escape at the last moment?

So why does Leon do what he does? Either he believes Chockablock to be a superior existance than the world outside, or he doubts the Chockablock theory, or he doubts that John has the real way out. Maybe Leon believes that the real way out is the way he's chosen. So perhaps either way, any future story will be set outside Chockablock.

I think DarthPat is right about what's going on. Alex, Jim and Stew are working to a plan that they think will lead them out of paradise. Leon, ever the Judas, thinks they're wrong (one way or another) and takes a different route at the last moment. What finally changed his mind? Were the footless pigeons some sort of sign?
 

QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist
December 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704181712
Thought it was probably something like that ;)

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DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200704271417

Here's a map of Sheffield city centre, with some key routes on it.

A6 - green mark = St Silas Church Hall, as featured in the 2nd trailer and the explosion srquence. The mural the archaeologists unearth is on a building on the corner, just south of the mark.
A7 - red route = Leon's bus journey. Note that it partly follows the same routes as the car chase and Stew's delivery to the police.
C4 - yellow star = Devonshire Green and the location of God's assassination.
C4 - purple route = Stew's delivery to the police (Leader of the Pack). It takes a curious route, via Furnival Square, perhaps to check out the site of the crashed Wedding Cake. Or perhaps there were roadworks somewhere, and a typical Sheffield detour. See F2 for the second purple route.
C6 - pink splodge = Manpower building: that orange pyramid where Bond gets his car.
D5 - green line = shops on the Moor that get blown up in the explosion sequence.
D6 - orange spur = Picholl's detour up to Atkinsons' car park while he reads his file (see below).
E4 - green star = Location of Peace Garden crypt, and the uppy-downy bollard.
E4 - yellow blob = Town Hall Extension (THX): the building with the roof garden, that gets blown up. Not actually there anymore.
E4 - pink blob = Winter Garden: In real life this takes up part of the site that the THX is on. In ANSX it is squeezed along the left hand side of the THX (over the left spur that I've left yellow on the map)
E4 - barely visible yellow dot to the bottom left of the green star = The fountain wherethe orchestra play. Adjacent (and unmarked) is the entrance to the crypt.
E4 - green splodge = Novotel hotel, where the second flying saurcer is sourced.
E4 - red dotted route up into E3 = Ant's escape from the Winter Garden and along Fargate. This is all we see.How he got to the Vortex is anyone's guess.
E4 - green circle = Original site of the (now demolished) Wedding Cake registry office building.
E5 - yellow star = Furnival Square, where Bond crashes the Wedding Cake.
E5 - orange box = Matilda Street carpark, where Picholl is attacked by the metal bird.
E5 - orange route north to Castle Square, south along Charter Row, north up Pond Street, up through the carpark, south along Arundel again, through the Novotel carpark, into Tudor Square and around to the bollard = Picholl's route: first being pursued by the bird, then conjecture between Castle Square and the top of the Moor, then his period of consideration, and then, from Manpower, his pursuit of Bond. Note that Bond's first move out of the carpark is to go the wrong way down a one way street.
F2 - red buildings = Babysham's offices (left) and the police station (right).
F2 - purple route = Stew's corpse taken in the van, south, to the Novotel.
F3 - yellow star = Castle Square, the Hole in the Road where the double helix is.
F3 - yellow box = The Roxy, and the apron from which Alex chaces the police van.
F3 - blue box = The Crucible theatre.
F4 - blue route into E4 = Jim_SD's escape to his Tardis after opening the Hole in the Road.
F4 - orange box = Arundel carpark, where the car chase ascends the cliff, and where Leon's bus stops.
F4 - pale blue box = Graves Art Gallery, and Central Library. Where Jim_PT arrives.
F4 - pale blue route into E4 = Jim_PT's route to the crypt.
G0 - red block = Wicker Archers. Picholl's office is established here, and the bison comes under this bridge and along the Wicker to the purple route.
G2 - yellow dot = Approximate location of Galena's Tardis.
H2 - yellow route into F3 = Route of tram that opens the Hole in the Road.
H3,4,5 - green lines = Park Hill Flats, which explode.

The cemetery is just off the bottom left hand corner of the map. Note that the cemetery in ANSX is a different one to that in BS.

In Babysham, the action was, for the most part, to the North of the city. This time it is mainly to the South. 
 
 

Quiz
Droid
December 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200705040302
That's frightening, Dan.

Why do we have to question what Babysham says? Isn't he just explaining the plot to us? Surely he has a better idea of what's happening than we do.

 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200705091110
We have to question what Babysham says because what Babysham says doesn't add up. And Leon questions it to a certain extent anyway. Babysham's always had this desire to understand what's happening, like in the crypt scene in Ep7, and his OU activities in Ep6. This is just another example of that. It's how Babysham works things out. That and by being dragged around by the baddies.

So will there be an Episode 11? If there were, would it have Leon in it? Would it be set in or out of the Chockoblock? Would it be set in or out of the Attercliffe (sorry... Afterlife)?

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DarthPat.
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
 
Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200705131492
As far as I know, there are no plans for a NS11. But if there were one, I doubt Leon would feature. I believe SJ and Jean Reno have a working relationship that has been pushed about as far as it can go without snapping and exploding into your face. Furthermore, the rest of the cast are increasingly difficult to pin down due to their other commitments. There was a rumour that TV maths expert Marcus du Sautoy might be cast as another Jim, with Dylan Moran as a transfigured Alex but I'm not sure that would work. Certainly nothing has been even remotely committed to paper. SJ is apparently 'looking to pursue other projects', as they say.

 

Lazlo32
Timelord
December 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "ANSX" Thread"  - 200705152101
Careful not to spoil anybody or to go too far off topic, people.

--Lazlo32

 

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