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Lazlo32
Timelord
December 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409191224
I think we'd better keep plot speculation to the Spoilers thread.
I don't think Pooky's doing bad. She's no Julia Carling at least :)

--Lazlo32
 

 

QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist
December 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409191717
What's wrong with a little speculation? So long as Leon keeps his mouth shut... :)

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"Leather trousers... the sexy, dominant, cute look."
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409192119
Hey! 
Pooky wasn't the first choice, lest we forget...
Alyson Hannigan was meant to return as Willow originally, but there were Buffy issues at the time, and consequently SJ went with Juliet Landau. Then of course, 12 months ago, after much filming, he recast the role with Pooky Quesnel. That move is still shrouded in a little mystery. Having seen Landau in the role, I can't see any reason why she'd need to be replaced. Her accent was fine for the most part, and her acting skill was at least the equal of Quesnel.

The opening scene was one of the first to be shot, but had to be redone this year when Pooky came on board. It was the first scene she filmed.
Much of the scenes in Mayburn's shop are from mid-2003, and were filmed with Landau. Quesnel's bits were added later.
The leap to the Police Station, and associated shots were filmed late 2002.
Bhuvana's sequence is from early 2004. It's the same location as last week's sequence on the whole. It was very cold.
The stuff in the river was done in the late spring of 2004, mostly on (genuine) location.
The road chase was filmed in early mornings on Bank Holidays in May.
The graveyard stuff was done towards the end of winter in early 2004. They had to wait ages for the right weather and for the moon to be in the right phase.
The Gardener's Rest scene was done after hours this Summer; again they waited for appropriate weather. Everyone was on standby for several days, during which much alcohol was consumed.
 

Bambi
Solicitor
September 2004


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409211921
A lot seems to have been done in the last nine months. Is there much that was recorded before this January?

Bambi.
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409222222
Well...
They started shooting around this time in 2002, and did more filming sporadically throughout 2003 (working around Guy's other jobs). Episode 0 was also made in 2003, under the pretence of filming Babysham.
By the end of 2003, they reckoned to have filmed about half the series, but then Jade was recast, so all of her shots had to be redone. So probably about 3/4 or so of the filming was done this year. It was quite hectic, but well scheduled, thankfully.
        
Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002

 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409241502
Thought I'd post a few officially released shots that were taken from this episode:

  Babysham's HQ and the Police Station.

  In the underground river, with a flaming torch.

  In the cemetery, talking to Letitia.

  In the cemetery, on the grave.

  The gravestone, with some blatantly fake lightning.
 

Lazlo32
Timelord
December 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409252207
Surreal stuff.

--Lazlo32
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409252314
That's either very deep or very shallow. Rest assured I will find great meaning in it when I've watched it a few times...

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DarthPat.
 

DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409252314
That's either very deep or very shallow. Rest assured I will find great meaning in it when I've watched it a few times...

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DarthPat.

 

Hutch
POG Adept
August 2002


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409260123
I tried searching for "Uif Npvtfnbo't Hvjme". I think the results are interesting.
Here, should you be wondering...

 

QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist
December 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409261413
Oh, cool. What's it say, anyone?
And Jim! Fantastic!

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"Leather trousers... the sexy, dominant, cute look."
 

DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409262319
Here you go:
 
The Mouseman's Guild
The Secret Society for Antique Professionals

Hi, and welcome to the Mouseman's Guild homepage!

If you're aged twenty-two or above and are interested in antiques and satanic rituals, ghen <sic> ghis <sic> society is for you. Just come along to one of our regular open days and ask for Lauren.

We meet on the third Saturday of every month (using the Babylonian calendar) at the society Mousehole:

The Adelphi Gheatre <sic>
Vicarage Road
Attercliffe
Sheffield

Open days are held on the third Saturday of every third (Babylonian) month.
Bring a pot, and some cheese.

Pictures from our summer get together:

- The Grand Mouseman introduces the evening's Farmer's Wife.
- Eric in the company of two virgins after the Valuation Ritd. <sic>
- New initiate, Paul, hogging the camera at the after dinner party.

Don't miss tur <sic> Cakin Night celebrations in October, when we will be attempting to raise the Dark Duke himself. Call Lauren or David for tickets.


I might've missed some spelling mistakes (I was translating it myself so I wasn't doing it letter for letter). But there you go. Interesting stuff. 

According to Google, Cakin Night is a Sheffield version of Halloween. 

From http://www.bocking.u-net.com/cakin.html
"Cakin Night was a forerunner of the American "Trick or Treat" tradition carried out in northern England during Halloween. Children would tour their neighbourhood in costumes and masks singing "Cake Cake, Copper Copper" and were given a piece of cake if an adult guessed their identity, or a few pennies ("coppers") if the guess was wrong. Nowadays, adults in the village of Stannington near Sheffield carry on the tradition by dressing in costumes at their local pub."

My guess then is that we're due some sort of satanic rite around Halloween. the term "Dark Duke" is interesting too... I'd say it was David Dickinson if it weren't for "David" being listed as a contact.
 

Lazlo32
Timelord
December 2002

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409272022
Great stuff. Can I just ask that we limit ourselves to conjecture on this issue, and avoid the use of spoilers as evidence. Not that this is a spoiler - I'm just making a pre-emptive strike.
Thanks.

--Lazlo32
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409281648
The opening bits to camera were filmed at various stages during shooting. There's miles of that sort of thing.
The graveyard stuff is from early 2004 again. As is Babysham's turn.
The bus shot was from the same shoot as the exterior stuff last week. Late Spring.
Everything with Jim and Jade together is from around early to mid 2004, though some bits with Jim on his own were filmed last year (at the same time as Episode 0), and some bits were filmed more recently (especially the stuff after the analysis).
Alan's bit in the office was done in late 2002, with some bits at the computer added around June.

Just so you know. Oh. and I wrote that web-page, so those spelling mistakes are my fault. They were accidental, and I apologise profusely. 
 

Goldblender
Military Intelligence Agent
July 2004


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409291939
Jim was in it. Wasn't that cool? And in a Paul McGann incarnation too.

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"Is it all right if I have a go on your girlfriend?"
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200409301421
Oh... I should've probably mentioned that the sequence inside Babysham's mind was originally much longer than what was shown and had to be severely edited to fit. Which was always the plan. Ivan Methuselah was told to edit mercilessly, for a dreamlike effect. Hence all the jump cuts and what have you.
        
DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse
April 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200410011133
Darth Pat's analysis:

The first quarter of an hour seems to be playing on the similarities between Babysham and Angel, so we have Babysham rising like a vampire at the start, and then the thing about experiencing total happiness.

I think the use of Bullseye is probably deeply significant. But I don't know why. I did notice though that the guest was Keith Barrett, and that then Jim Barrett shows up. I think that was a deliberate foreshadowing.

A bit later, we see the second occasion of Jim being likened to the actor who plays him. He was likened to Christopher Eccleston in TNG.

I expect there's some sort of significance to the Romeo & Juliet bit, but I don't know what. As for the web-site... Is the mention of Lauren a suggestion that Bhuvana is involved with the Mousemen? I'm with Dan on the Dark Duke being David Dickinson.

Right then... the dream sequence:

At the start we are treated to a number of Prisoner references, so I guess that Babysham is a prisoner in his own mind or something soppy like that. 

I'd like to think that the milkfloat is a David Bowie reference. "Don't let the milkfloat ride your mind" (Rock 'n' Roll Suicide). Doubt it is though.

The Twin Peaks reference probably just established the sort of territory we are in. I don't know enough about Emmerdale to comment on that sequence though.

I think maybe that the exploding pub and the Pulp Fiction quote are connected, because the exploding pub reminded me of the end of that film noir thing with the glowing box. I forget what it's called, but the box in Pulp Fiction was based on the box in this, I seem to remember. Possibly this is a reference to the box that Eugene bought. Possibly Eugene bought some sort of magical Box of Delights thing.

The next pair of scenes seem to be suggesting that there is safety through religion. That consumerism is destructive and that religion is salvation. Which doesn't seem to be very like SJ. Maybe he's got born again?

I don't know what's going on with the miniature pub. Perhaps it's some sort of Alice in Wonderland thing, but I doubt it. More likely a local gag based on the pub itself.

A look in my dream dictionary suggests that a flood is a symbol of being overwhelmed. But, as Peter Snow points out, it's also a Sheffield reference. So we probably can't read too much into it. 

The same dictionary virtually ascribes every possible emotion to the presence of feet. So I can't conclude much from that. But feet are a recurring theme in Babysham's head. There must be some significance, but I don't know what.

I assume that the half-time analysis is a play on psychoanalysis. 

Alan Hanson refers to Jim as the "defender". Is there any greater significance to this than a half-pun? You could hardly call him a midfielder or a striker. I think Jim is simply a defender because he saved the Earth from the geese.

In the second half things get weirder. A floating man, Mike Leigh, and seven dwarfs (one with dominos instead of feet). I don't even begin to understand this sequence. Presumably the dwarfs are a Snow White-d up version of Twin Peaks.

What's the razor about? Not just there for a pun on "cut", surely?

Then Jim seems on a quest for information about the flood. He tags on to Lisa Tarbuck in order to find the museum. This points to the flood being of significance again. Maybe the flood is simply the system crash.

Babysham seems to be betting on Open University experiments. Don't know why.

The dwarf calls himself Mel Sterland. Google reveals that Mel Sterland was actually a player for Sheffield Wednesday in the 1980s. Dunno if he was short or something. Jim hands the dwarf some dictaphone tapes. Maybe this is Jim's fresh program that will cure Babysham.

Is there a significance to Jim walking into the door? That man appears again, on the ladder. Anyone know who he is?

Almost certainly, the moth in the paint is the bug that has afflicted Babysham. Once removed, Jim exits Babysham's mind.

Just my thoughts there. Not very productive really.

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DarthPat.
 

Leon_1138
Observer
April 2001
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200410021234
Thanks for your thoughts. They are most compelling. I've responded to some points in the spoiler thread.
To clarify one thing, the myterious floating / painting man is none other than one time England international, Mel Sterland. 

      

FunkyChunkMonkey
Zen Flamencoist
January 2003

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200410022241
i was expecting more goatsex to be honest

FuNkYcHuNkMoNkEy!

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"You are a cock! Fatty fatty cock!" - Ted Heath.
"You'll never get away with it!" - Cherie Booth.
 

QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist
December 2001


 

Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread***  - 200410022259
Can't have goatsex every week, FCM.
What was the stuff with Sven Goren Erikson all about? Am I missing a pun or something? That seemed a bit crap. 
But I enjoyed the black mass business.

If I'm honest, I'm not sure about Letitia. She seems a bit vague and underwritten. Like she was an afterthought or something. I can't put my finger on it. It seems like it's a case of a good actress being cast in a small role and then having her part fleshed out. I'd rather have more of Letitia than Jade really.

What an end. How's that going to resolve (...don't tell me, Leon)? The continuity announcer was VERY annoying though, talking over the end like that, and squeezing the credits out of existence. They keep doing that sort of thing these days and it really pees me off.

And we've a fortnight to wait! Gah!!

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"Leather trousers... the sexy, dominant, cute look."
 

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