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| Lazlo32
Timelord December 2002
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409191224 |
| I
think we'd better keep plot speculation to the Spoilers thread.
I don't think Pooky's doing bad. She's no Julia Carling at least :) --Lazlo32
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| QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist December 2001
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409191717 |
| What's
wrong with a little speculation? So long as Leon keeps his mouth shut...
:)
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| Leon_1138
Observer April 2001 |
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409192119 |
| Hey!
Pooky wasn't the first choice, lest we forget... Alyson Hannigan was meant to return as Willow originally, but there were Buffy issues at the time, and consequently SJ went with Juliet Landau. Then of course, 12 months ago, after much filming, he recast the role with Pooky Quesnel. That move is still shrouded in a little mystery. Having seen Landau in the role, I can't see any reason why she'd need to be replaced. Her accent was fine for the most part, and her acting skill was at least the equal of Quesnel. The
opening scene was one of the first to be shot, but had to be redone this
year when Pooky came on board. It was the first scene she filmed.
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| Bambi
Solicitor September 2004
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409211921 |
| A
lot seems to have been done in the last nine months. Is there much that
was recorded before this January?
Bambi.
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| Leon_1138
Observer April 2001 |
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409222222 |
| Well...
They started shooting around this time in 2002, and did more filming sporadically throughout 2003 (working around Guy's other jobs). Episode 0 was also made in 2003, under the pretence of filming Babysham. By the end of 2003, they reckoned to have filmed about half the series, but then Jade was recast, so all of her shots had to be redone. So probably about 3/4 or so of the filming was done this year. It was quite hectic, but well scheduled, thankfully. |
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| Hutch
POG Adept August 2002
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409241502 |
| Thought
I'd post a few officially released shots that were taken from this episode:
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| Lazlo32
Timelord December 2002
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409252207 |
| Surreal
stuff.
--Lazlo32
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| DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse April 2001
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409252314 |
| That's
either very deep or very shallow. Rest assured I will find great meaning
in it when I've watched it a few times...
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| DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse April 2001
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409252314 |
| That's
either very deep or very shallow. Rest assured I will find great meaning
in it when I've watched it a few times...
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| Hutch
POG Adept August 2002
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409260123 |
| I
tried searching for "Uif Npvtfnbo't Hvjme". I think the results are interesting.
Here, should you be wondering...
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| QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist December 2001
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409261413 |
| Oh,
cool. What's it say, anyone?
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| DanTheDestroyer
Bounty Hunter April 2001
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409262319 |
Here
you go:
The Mouseman's Guild
According to Google, Cakin Night is a Sheffield version of Halloween. From
http://www.bocking.u-net.com/cakin.html:
My
guess then is that we're due some sort of satanic rite around Halloween.
the term "Dark Duke" is interesting too... I'd say it was David Dickinson
if it weren't for "David" being listed as a contact.
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| Lazlo32
Timelord December 2002
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409272022 |
| Great
stuff. Can I just ask that we limit ourselves to conjecture on this issue,
and avoid the use of spoilers as evidence. Not that this is a spoiler -
I'm just making a pre-emptive strike.
Thanks. --Lazlo32
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| Leon_1138
Observer April 2001 |
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409281648 |
| The
opening bits to camera were filmed at various stages during shooting. There's
miles of that sort of thing.
The graveyard stuff is from early 2004 again. As is Babysham's turn. The bus shot was from the same shoot as the exterior stuff last week. Late Spring. Everything with Jim and Jade together is from around early to mid 2004, though some bits with Jim on his own were filmed last year (at the same time as Episode 0), and some bits were filmed more recently (especially the stuff after the analysis). Alan's bit in the office was done in late 2002, with some bits at the computer added around June. Just
so you know. Oh. and I wrote that web-page, so those spelling mistakes
are my fault. They were accidental, and I apologise profusely.
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| Goldblender
Military Intelligence Agent July 2004
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409291939 |
| Jim
was in it. Wasn't that cool? And in a Paul McGann incarnation too.
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| Leon_1138
Observer April 2001 |
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200409301421 |
| Oh...
I should've probably mentioned that the sequence inside Babysham's mind
was originally much longer than what was shown and had to be severely edited
to fit. Which was always the plan. Ivan Methuselah was told to edit mercilessly,
for a dreamlike effect. Hence all the jump cuts and what have you.
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| DarthPat
Postman of the Appocalypse April 2001
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200410011133 |
| Darth
Pat's analysis:
The first quarter of an hour seems to be playing on the similarities between Babysham and Angel, so we have Babysham rising like a vampire at the start, and then the thing about experiencing total happiness. I think the use of Bullseye is probably deeply significant. But I don't know why. I did notice though that the guest was Keith Barrett, and that then Jim Barrett shows up. I think that was a deliberate foreshadowing. A bit later, we see the second occasion of Jim being likened to the actor who plays him. He was likened to Christopher Eccleston in TNG. I expect there's some sort of significance to the Romeo & Juliet bit, but I don't know what. As for the web-site... Is the mention of Lauren a suggestion that Bhuvana is involved with the Mousemen? I'm with Dan on the Dark Duke being David Dickinson. Right then... the dream sequence: At the start we are treated to a number of Prisoner references, so I guess that Babysham is a prisoner in his own mind or something soppy like that. I'd like to think that the milkfloat is a David Bowie reference. "Don't let the milkfloat ride your mind" (Rock 'n' Roll Suicide). Doubt it is though. The Twin Peaks reference probably just established the sort of territory we are in. I don't know enough about Emmerdale to comment on that sequence though. I think maybe that the exploding pub and the Pulp Fiction quote are connected, because the exploding pub reminded me of the end of that film noir thing with the glowing box. I forget what it's called, but the box in Pulp Fiction was based on the box in this, I seem to remember. Possibly this is a reference to the box that Eugene bought. Possibly Eugene bought some sort of magical Box of Delights thing. The next pair of scenes seem to be suggesting that there is safety through religion. That consumerism is destructive and that religion is salvation. Which doesn't seem to be very like SJ. Maybe he's got born again? I don't know what's going on with the miniature pub. Perhaps it's some sort of Alice in Wonderland thing, but I doubt it. More likely a local gag based on the pub itself. A look in my dream dictionary suggests that a flood is a symbol of being overwhelmed. But, as Peter Snow points out, it's also a Sheffield reference. So we probably can't read too much into it. The same dictionary virtually ascribes every possible emotion to the presence of feet. So I can't conclude much from that. But feet are a recurring theme in Babysham's head. There must be some significance, but I don't know what. I assume that the half-time analysis is a play on psychoanalysis. Alan Hanson refers to Jim as the "defender". Is there any greater significance to this than a half-pun? You could hardly call him a midfielder or a striker. I think Jim is simply a defender because he saved the Earth from the geese. In the second half things get weirder. A floating man, Mike Leigh, and seven dwarfs (one with dominos instead of feet). I don't even begin to understand this sequence. Presumably the dwarfs are a Snow White-d up version of Twin Peaks. What's the razor about? Not just there for a pun on "cut", surely? Then Jim seems on a quest for information about the flood. He tags on to Lisa Tarbuck in order to find the museum. This points to the flood being of significance again. Maybe the flood is simply the system crash. Babysham seems to be betting on Open University experiments. Don't know why. The dwarf calls himself Mel Sterland. Google reveals that Mel Sterland was actually a player for Sheffield Wednesday in the 1980s. Dunno if he was short or something. Jim hands the dwarf some dictaphone tapes. Maybe this is Jim's fresh program that will cure Babysham. Is there a significance to Jim walking into the door? That man appears again, on the ladder. Anyone know who he is? Almost certainly, the moth in the paint is the bug that has afflicted Babysham. Once removed, Jim exits Babysham's mind. Just my thoughts there. Not very productive really. ----
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| Leon_1138
Observer April 2001 |
Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200410021234 |
| Thanks
for your thoughts. They are most compelling. I've responded to some points
in the spoiler thread.
To clarify one thing, the myterious floating / painting man is none other than one time England international, Mel Sterland.
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| FunkyChunkMonkey
Zen Flamencoist January 2003
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200410022241 |
| i
was expecting more goatsex to be honest
FuNkYcHuNkMoNkEy! ----
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| QueenPaté
Zen Flamencoist December 2001
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Topic: ***Official "Babysham" Thread*** - 200410022259 |
| Can't
have goatsex every week, FCM.
What was the stuff with Sven Goren Erikson all about? Am I missing a pun or something? That seemed a bit crap. But I enjoyed the black mass business. If I'm honest, I'm not sure about Letitia. She seems a bit vague and underwritten. Like she was an afterthought or something. I can't put my finger on it. It seems like it's a case of a good actress being cast in a small role and then having her part fleshed out. I'd rather have more of Letitia than Jade really. What an end. How's that going to resolve (...don't tell me, Leon)? The continuity announcer was VERY annoying though, talking over the end like that, and squeezing the credits out of existence. They keep doing that sort of thing these days and it really pees me off. And we've a fortnight to wait! Gah!! ----
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